# The \*REALLY\* crazy conspiracy theory: WTC buildings downed by controlled demolition **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 29, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991 "2007-05-29T22:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/161 "2007-06-01T15:46:31Z")
[QUOTE=Zeriel] I wanna know how that “pyroclastic flow” in figure 65c [/QUOTE] I wanna know how ‘pyrocastic flow’ applies to anything besides volcanos! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/162 "2007-06-01T15:47:52Z")
[QUOTE=Zeriel] I wanna know how that “pyroclastic flow” in figure 65c there melted that row of cars but [ol] [li]The asphalt is not deformed in any way[/li][li]The cars under the bridge are not deformed in any way (except for being dirty)[/li][li]The CHAIN LINK FENCE is not so much as discolored[/li][/ol] Apparently, the amazing pyroclastic flow also stopped dead with no heat transfer less than a foot past the last toasted car. Or do you have a better explanation? [/QUOTE] The real answer is that those cars were towed there after the days events. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/163 "2007-06-01T15:54:59Z")
Are they kidding? Or does this site purport that vehicles were “toasted” on FDR Drive? And they are in direct proximity to “untoasted” cars, as well as separated by distance from the WTC itself, proving some idiotic claim of paradox or other? Are they too stupid to realize that the toasted cars _were towed there from WTC to get them out of the way?_ Sheesh. Such boggles the mind. Oh, yeah-- these crackpots don’t have minds, do they? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/164 "2007-06-01T15:56:02Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Miskatonic] The real answer is that those cars were towed there after the days events. [/QUOTE] You type faster than I!! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/165 "2007-06-01T16:04:01Z")
Remember that nothing is done for purposes that are not sinister in Conspiracy Theorist land. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/166 "2007-06-01T16:06:27Z")
[QUOTE=CannyDan] Are they kidding? Or does this site purport that vehicles were “toasted” on FDR Drive? And they are in direct proximity to “untoasted” cars, as well as separated by distance from the WTC itself, proving some idiotic claim of paradox or other? Are they too stupid to realize that the toasted cars _were towed there from WTC to get them out of the way?_ Sheesh. Such boggles the mind. Oh, yeah-- these crackpots don’t have minds, do they? [/QUOTE] I think they just _want_ there to be a conspiracy so badly that they don’t want to try to come up with an alternative explanation, however obvious that explanation may seem to others. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/167 "2007-06-01T16:08:48Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Miskatonic] Remember that nothing is done for purposes that are not sinister in Conspiracy Theorist land. [/QUOTE] So, what evil purpose is served by your typing speed? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/168 "2007-06-01T16:13:33Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] So, what evil purpose is served by your typing speed? [/QUOTE] He obviously uses it to frustrate my otherwise uniquely insightful efforts. Conspiracy! Conspiracy! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/169 "2007-06-01T18:08:42Z")
Darn it, you guys, I wanted the LOONY to answer. Clearly you’re all conspiring to keep me from having any fun. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/170 "2007-06-01T18:19:02Z")
[QUOTE=kidchameleon] Wait…I’m beginning to see the light. WT7 was brought down by explosives because they had to use the back up plan! That 4th plane wasn’t going to the White House or Pentagon, that was a load of bull made up by the eeeeeevil government. Rather they were _supposed_ to fly into WT7. As **DanBlather** has pointed out, WT7 was the key to it all and without that linch pin gone they never would have been able to invade Iraq and uncover the planted WMDs. [/QUOTE] It would have worked, too - if it weren’t for you meddling _kids_! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/171 "2007-06-01T18:19:56Z")
I just came across this thread, and would like to add a couple of things: [Black smoke does not mean oxygen-starved fires](http://www.slate.com/id/2145891/): > [@](#): > > In general, a hotter fire will convert more fuel into elemental carbon, which forms into tiny particles that absorb light and appear in the sky as black smoke. A cooler combustion—or one that doesn’t work as efficiently—yields less-pure forms of carbon. These tend to reflect light, making the smoke look white. [A “squib” is not the term for the explosives that bring buildings down](http://www.usfireworks.biz/glossary.htm#s). A squib is a blasting cap, basically a large firecracker. The supposed “squibs” on the top corner of WTC7, which appear after it starts falling, are apparently not smoke, because they don’t disperse, but fall right along with the building. They are something solid, most likely windows blown out by the air pressure in the collapsing building. DanBlather was taken to task for bringing up Jones’s Mormonism as evidence of his credulity. While I agree that this is not a fair point, what is more relevant is that Jones is not your run-of-the-mill Mormon, but has published a paper titled _Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ’s Visit in Ancient America_. From [http://tikkun.org/rabbi\_lerner/News\_Item.2006-09-08.3403](http://tikkun.org/rabbi_lerner/News_Item.2006-09-08.3403) : > [@](#): > > In it he notes that dark marks on the hands of ancient Mayan artifacts and hieroglyphs resemble stigmata, and he posits this as evidence that the Book of Mormon was correct when it said that Jesus visited the New World shortly after his resurrection. To further make the case, he refers to an article by archeological scholar Robert Eliot Smith, who in describing a rendering of the Mayan god Itzamma, notes its “markedly Hebraic nose.” This I think is a valid point to indicate his level of credulity. ---
**Author:** ![Mort\_Gage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mort\_Gage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mort_Gage)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/172 "2007-06-01T21:13:11Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] Here is the reaction from a controlled demolition expert seeing the collapse of wtc7. He didn’t even know it happened on 9/11 prior to his viewing and critique. ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/HgoSOQ2xrbI/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/HgoSOQ2xrbI?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque [/QUOTE] Here is that same controlled demolition expert analyzing WTC 1 and 2. ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/EkZMQAC95kI/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/EkZMQAC95kI?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/173 "2007-06-01T22:51:58Z")
It is true that WTC 7 actually does resemble a controlled demolition, because it collapses from the bottom, in the characteristic way of the whole building seeming to fall into a hole. Of course, all this means is that WTC failed from the bottom up. But this should not be exactly suprising, since the bottom floors of a skyscraper have to support the most weight they are the most vulnerable and most likely to collapse. But the 1 and 2 towers both clearly collapse from the top down, each floor collapsing onto the lower one in turn. Absolutely different than a demolition. Fact is, the towers started collapsing from where the planes hit. Now, perhaps they wired the site of the crash with explosives, set those off, and set off explosives below in a chain, just as the upper floor hit. But that makes no sense! How do you keep the fires from destroying your detonators? How do you keep the crash from breaking the wires you need to send the signal to detonate? How do you keep the fire from cooking your explosives? If you want to demolish the towers you set off explosives at the base. That didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/174 "2007-06-01T22:56:46Z")
Crap, I forget my main point. Wow, WTC 7 kind of resembles a controlled demolition. Which proves…WHAT? That, sure, WTC 1 and WTC 2 were demolished by crashing hijacked jet planes into them, but WTC 7 was wired for demolition? Excuse me? The main attack was just a cover to destroy WTC 7? Because there was a CIA office there? Y’know, if you’re a secret cabal that wants to get rid of evidence at a CIA office, you send guys wearing dark suits, and they flash their genuine yet fake ID at the door, and the start loading the evidence into crates, and the crates go into trucks, and they drive off into the night and you never hear from them ever again. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/175 "2007-06-01T23:34:42Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] The main attack was just a cover to destroy WTC 7? [/QUOTE] I think at this point it becomes clear that a real estate developer was behind it all. ---
**Author:** ![Xof711](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/f0a364/32.png) [@Xof711](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xof711)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/176 "2007-06-02T00:33:19Z")
One thing is for sure, we are being lied to and scientific explanations tend to prove that the WTC towers shouldn’t have collapsed because of the hits they sustained… ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/177 "2007-06-02T00:37:18Z")
[QUOTE=Mort Gage] Here is that same controlled demolition expert analyzing WTC 1 and 2. ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/EkZMQAC95kI/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/EkZMQAC95kI?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque [/QUOTE] I hereby delcare **Mort Gage** to be among the top ten new Dopers of 2007! ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/178 "2007-06-02T01:34:01Z")
[QUOTE=Xof711] One thing is for sure, we are being lied to and scientific explanations tend to prove that the WTC towers shouldn’t have collapsed because of the hits they sustained… [/QUOTE] As has been previously noted (many, many, MANY times) before, WTC1/2 did not simply fall down from the airplane impacts. Please go back and actually read all four pages of this thread for explanations, discussions and links regarding the actual collapse mechanisms. Once you have done this, if you’ve got something that has not already been thoroughly covered (many, many, MANY times) before, please link to the scientific articles that prove that damage from the impact plus subsequent raging infernos was not the cause of collapse. If by “proof” you mean that it is your judgement, based on the known facts, then please state what your qualifications are (such as your background in structural engineering) for making such a call. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/179 "2007-06-02T01:48:13Z")
[QUOTE=Xof711] One thing is for sure, we are being lied to and scientific explanations tend to prove that the WTC towers shouldn’t have collapsed because of the hits they sustained… [/QUOTE] That one thing is most assuredly not for sure. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/180 "2007-06-02T15:40:18Z")
[QUOTE=Xof711] One thing is for sure, we are being lied to and scientific explanations tend to prove that the WTC towers shouldn’t have collapsed because of the hits they sustained… [/QUOTE] One thing is for sure and that there are a lot of ignoramouses out there who don’t know the first thing about structural engineering, controlled demolitions, or scientific method and who apparently believe in a lot of bullshit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991.md?page=10)