# "The Red Pill" and Feminist Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637 "2017-05-29T11:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Polar\_Iceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Polar\_Iceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polar_Iceman)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/1 "2017-05-29T11:04:59Z")
I just attended a showing of the documentary “The Red Pill”. This documentary on men’s rights has been attacked by feminists and all the usual suspects; and has apparently been banned in several countries. Apparently it violates the safe spaces of feminists. In one point in the documentary footage is presented of an attempt by men’s rights adherents to hold a seminar at the University of Toronto. This meeting was attacked and disrupted by feminists to the extent that it had to be abandoned. Very much like the recent events at UC at Berkely and other campuses. As one individual attempted to enter the meeting room, he was obstructed by a foul feminist who stood within inches of his face and screamed vile abuse at him. This continued for several minutes and the man, who stood passively in the face of this attack, was prevented by her from entering the meeting room. In the background police officers stood watching, and did nothing. My question: what would be the legal implications of the abused individual smacking the feminist in the mouth? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/2 "2017-05-29T11:16:34Z")
GQ answer: an assault charge. other answer to the obvious poisoned well that is the OP: Oh no, that poor precious snowflake. _Screamed_ at! Will the oppression never end? /s [insert “[Misandry](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/qk7g670idptor56rpvw5.gif)” GIF here] ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/3 "2017-05-29T11:58:22Z")
To be able to answer the actual legal question being asked, let’s strip out the context and judgemental language and consider only the relevant facts. A man attempts to attend meeting at a public university. A woman blocks his entry to a room for several minutes while yelling at him. We do not know what words she was saying. He now hits her in the mouth. Well, of course he is going to be arrested for assault and battery, and most likely convicted due to the abundance of police witnesses. He was in no physical danger, and so cannot claim self-defense. If he had not hit her in the mouth, he might have had a chance to appeal to the police to arrest her on a charge of disorderly conduct, or at least get her ejected from the premises, but only for blocking his way and not for her speech, but IANAL and IANALEO. If you intended your question to be a coy bit of kindling for a debate about “men’s rights” then GD or IMHO would be an appropriate place. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/4 "2017-05-29T12:03:57Z")
Since the OP is more of a rant than a genuine question, and the potential consequences of assaulting another person are pretty self-evident, let’s move this to the Pit. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/5 "2017-05-29T12:44:21Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > I just attended a showing of the documentary “The Red Pill”. This documentary on men’s rights has been attacked by feminists and all the usual suspects; and has apparently been banned in several countries. Apparently it violates the safe spaces of feminists. “Banned”? Oh my, which governments went out of their way to get rid of a lame movie like this? I missed the memo. I know a few cinemas decided not to carry it after customer outcry, but that’s hardly “banning” the movie, and more than “loose change” was banned because Cineplex wasn’t running it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/6 "2017-05-29T12:57:23Z")
Poor men, they got it so rough in this world. What kind of rights do these men’s rights groups think that men are lacking, now? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/7 "2017-05-29T13:02:45Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Poor men, they got it so rough in this world. What kind of rights do these men’s rights groups think that men are lacking, now? The right to punch an uppity woman in the mouth, with impunity. It’s right in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/8 "2017-05-29T13:06:28Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Poor men, they got it so rough in this world. What kind of rights do these men’s rights groups think that men are lacking, now? I suggest watching the film and finding out. Of course, you’ll probably have to brave a gauntlet of screeching harpies on your way in, but you’re a big strong guy, you can handle it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/9 "2017-05-29T13:12:36Z")
That’s totally unfair, and I’m glad that some men have banded together to demand change! ETA Response to QuickSilver ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/10 "2017-05-29T13:21:49Z")
The “Men’s Rights Activists” movements comprises about 1% people with actual concern for societal inequalities that make life worse for men and 99% misogynists who want to take feminism down a peg. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/11 "2017-05-29T13:31:42Z")
That they named this movie (and their ‘movement’) “The Red Pill” should really tell you everything you need to know about these clowns. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/12 "2017-05-29T13:36:11Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Poor men, they got it so rough in this world. What kind of rights do these men’s rights groups think that men are lacking, now? There are serious answers to this (obviously sarcastic) question - involving custody, financial burdens (particularly after divorce), lagging academic performance, the considerably higher male suicide rate, and a number of other matters. It’s tempting to write the MRA brigade off as sweaty, neckbearded sentient fedoras - and many of them are, or have some other issues - but just as angry feminists are a thing but that doesn’t invalidate all the points feminism makes, there are very real issues facing men that aren’t getting addressed and those aren’t invalidated because the guys at r/Redpill or wherever support the cause. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/13 "2017-05-29T13:51:41Z")
The redpill subreddit doesn’t even mention those topics. The legitimate concerns have been on other subreddits for ages, perhaps even predating redpill. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/14 "2017-05-29T13:53:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > I suggest watching the film and finding out. Of course, you’ll probably have to brave a gauntlet of screeching harpies on your way in, but you’re a big strong guy, you can handle it. Is it that hard a movie to stream? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/15 "2017-05-29T13:54:35Z")
…And punching a woman in the mouth is probably not the most effective way of making their argument. ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/16 "2017-05-29T14:41:51Z")
In situations like this, I make a liberal head fake to the left and then drive to the right - liberals can’t go to the right. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/17 "2017-05-29T15:05:57Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > There are serious answers to this (obviously sarcastic) question - involving custody, financial burdens (particularly after divorce), lagging academic performance, the considerably higher male suicide rate, and a number of other matters. This is very true. However, when you look at the people who label themselves “MRAs”, how many are seriously looking at these problems and looking for solutions, and how many are just bitching about how hard they have it as cishet white men? I guess the problem is that when most people think “feminist”, they think Emma Watson and Hillary Clinton, and when most people think “MRA” they think… well, [_these_ assholes](http://wehuntedthemammoth.com). And it’s not entirely unjustified. What I’ve seen of “men’s rights activism” really does come down to _mostly_ bitching about feminism. Case in point, check out [this image](https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18424183_10212939605069936_2066177092929785503_n.jpg?oh=36e83db86b6d6887df2ffa95ad195168&oe=59E8530F). Yes, male sufferers of domestic abuse don’t get as much support as they should. But why the hell is the best way to make that point a callout to feminists? The irony here is that many feminists accurately recognize these inequalities as problems, and want to fix them. And what’s more, their model is actually pretty good - many of these problems are caused by a society run by men. They are cancerous outgrowths of the patriarchy, of toxic masculinity, of how the male-dominated society sees women as weaker and shoehorns them into certain roles (and denies those roles to men). > [@](#): > > It’s tempting to write the MRA brigade off as sweaty, neckbearded sentient fedoras - and many of them are, or have some other issues - but just as angry feminists are a thing but that doesn’t invalidate all the points feminism makes, there are very real issues facing men that aren’t getting addressed and those aren’t invalidated because the guys at r/Redpill or wherever support the cause. Okay… So how many “serious” MRAs are there? Ones that aren’t tied to /r/redpill, the PUA or Incel or MGTOW communities, and who actually have productive, sensible ideas on what’s wrong and how to address it? I don’t see 'em very often. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/18 "2017-05-29T15:41:36Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > That they named this movie (and their ‘movement’) “The Red Pill” should really tell you everything you need to know about these clowns. Surprisingly, ¾ of those involved with making the documentary are women. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/19 "2017-05-29T15:56:25Z")
Hold up. Is this the pseudo-doc that is filmed by a feminist and she “starts to question her own beliefs?” :rolleyes: Exactly what cruel anti-male behavior happens to sway her? Meeting tough female bosses? Men not getting enough coupons for golf courses? Why women get the final say in abortion? Equal pay for women? I sincerely doubt even a closet feminist would question their beliefs about them if they even attended one of these nut-job conventions. It’s not a documentary, but a pledge for money. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/20 "2017-05-29T16:23:53Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > To be able to answer the actual legal question being asked, let’s strip out the context and judgemental language and consider only the relevant facts. > > A man attempts to attend meeting at a public university. A woman blocks his entry to a room for several minutes while yelling at him. We do not know what words she was saying. > > He now hits her in the mouth. > > Well, of course he is going to be arrested for assault and battery, and most likely convicted due to the abundance of police witnesses. He was in no physical danger, and so cannot claim self-defense. > > If he had not hit her in the mouth, he might have had a chance to appeal to the police to arrest her on a charge of disorderly conduct, or at least get her ejected from the premises, but only for blocking his way and not for her speech, but IANAL and IANALEO. > > If you intended your question to be a coy bit of kindling for a debate about “men’s rights” then GD or IMHO would be an appropriate place. Never heard of the film until now, but what you are saying is inaccurate (and sounds like a first-year law school question). If she has physically stopped him from going into a meeting and yelled at him continuously then that is absolutely a crime. His hitting her would also be a crime unless it is justified, in this case by self-defence. It could well be self-defence, it would be a question of fact, you don’t need to be in actual danger, just have am the actual perception of the same. The above would be true, whatever the gender of the parties involved. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637.md?page=2)