# "The Red Pill" and Feminist Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637 "2017-05-29T11:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/181 "2017-06-01T12:05:21Z")
[QUOTE=Polar Iceman] OK. It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists. We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association. We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, and are not allowed to defend ourselves. We cross the thought police at grave risk. George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates. [/QUOTE] Now we’ve definitely crossed over into Looking-Glass Land. I must inform you that your education in constitutional law has been sadly lacking. The Freedom to Punch Annoying People in the Face Amendment never passed. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/182 "2017-06-01T14:10:03Z")
ANyone else having quoting issues with this thread? Anyway. > [@](#): > > OK. > It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists. > We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association. > We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, and are not allowed to defend ourselves. > We cross the thought police at grave risk. > George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates. OK, so you’ve gone from filling your alt-right Bingo card to filling our your whiny emo teen complaint card? Hint: A person yelling at you is not a fascist. Not being allowed to punch someone who is saying mean things does not mean you are being prevented from defending yourself. You still have the right to free speech and assemblt, but so do other people and countermarches/assemblies/protests are going to happen. That’s not though police, that’s just people having the same rights you have. …and you obviosuly never read Orwell or you wouldn’t even have an internet to be on whining about not being allowed to punch people. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/183 "2017-06-01T14:15:33Z")
The Board is still borked from issues from last night. Quote is one of the functions not working. And, yes, the OP is a whiny little shit. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/184 "2017-06-01T14:24:24Z")
Ah, thanks. I was unaware of the borking. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/185 "2017-06-01T14:35:43Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > OK. > It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists. > We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association. > We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, and are not allowed to defend ourselves. > We cross the thought police at grave risk. > George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates. Someone get this diva some flowers. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/186 "2017-06-01T14:46:13Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > OK. > It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists. Fascism is generally held to be extreme _right_-wing. > [@](#): > > We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association. The first amendment means _the government_ can’t silence you (with rare exception.) [It does NOT mean anyone has to listen to your crap, nor do they have to give you a platform to spew it from.](https://xkcd.com/1357/) > [@](#): > > We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, Sure you are. You’re not entitled to express them wherever you feel like, especially not on someone else’ property. > [@](#): > > and are not allowed to defend ourselves. Sure you are. You, however, want the right to act like a bratty 2-year-old and hit anything which makes you mad. > [@](#): > > George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates. True. 8 years of the GOP trying to rally people against Emmanuel Goldstein… er, I mean Barack Obama… are evidence of that. > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > OK, so you’ve gone from filling your alt-right Bingo card to filling our your whiny emo teen complaint card? he won’t be done until he gets to “Kafkaesque.” I won’t give him “Orwellian” yet since it doesn’t appear he’s actually _read_ 1984. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/187 "2017-06-01T14:53:41Z")
vir·tue sig·nal·ing noun the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue. “it’s noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things” Ah, a new Alt-right term for people of good character as opposed to being low-character scumbags without a moral compass like they are. I’ll take it as a compliment. Scumbags always want to attack people better than they are, because the very existence of those people shows the scumbags who they really are inside. That hurts their feelings and shows their internal excuses and twisted moralizations for the lies they really are. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/188 "2017-06-01T14:54:19Z")
The OP wants to be able to punch an uppity woman who dares to confront a man and put the harpy in her place. And now he’s surprised that he’s not getting universal approval for it. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/189 "2017-06-01T15:06:54Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > vir·tue sig·nal·ing > noun > the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue. > “it’s noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things” > Ah, a new Alt-right term for people of good character as opposed to being low-character scumbags without a moral compass like they are. > > I’ll take it as a compliment. > > Scumbags always want to attack people better than they are, because the very existence of those people shows the scumbags who they really are inside. That hurts their feelings and shows their internal excuses and twisted moralizations for the lies they really are. it’s a good thing for threads like this or I wouldn’t know all this new vocabulary. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/190 "2017-06-01T15:12:06Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > OK. > It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists. > We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association. > We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, and are not allowed to defend ourselves. > We cross the thought police at grave risk. > George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates. You, specifically, should be grateful that our society doesn’t allow us to punch annoying people in the face. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/191 "2017-06-01T15:18:32Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > However, the attitude of the obstructing crowd is pretty much the same as shown in the U of T footage. That is University of Toronto footage, from November 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/192 "2017-06-01T16:02:27Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > OK. > It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists. > We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association. > We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, and are not allowed to defend ourselves. > We cross the thought police at grave risk. > George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates. What a ridiculous overreaction. I don’t remotely condone this woman’s behavior, but it’s hardly unique to human history. People have been mean, loud, angry, harassing jerks throughout time. Red Pill enthusiasts are not uniquely oppressed in this regard, nor is this phenomenon any sort of new development. It’s not even a particularly egregious instance, from a historical perspective. The government, in this case, has done nothing to infringe anyone’s rights. I think if we have to watch that shitty film to properly discuss the legal ramifications of punching someone for yelling at you, you should have to take a government course that teaches you what fascism is. Or at least look it up in the dictionary. > [@jz78817](#): > > it’s one line item on the “MRA Asshole Checklist.” along with “dog whistle,” “cuck,” and “SJW.” I, a liberal, have used the term ‘‘virtue-signalling’’ with a straight face, because I have noticed a tendency among my brethren to get carried away with villifying targets of interest to the point that their lives are ruined. Some of them turn individuals into teachable moments for their long-winded lectures, with the end result being a consequence that far outweighs the crime. Those ladies and their taco stand in Portland would be a good example of virtue-signalling run amok. I truly don’t believe it is intentional, but it is at best useless and at worst harmful. That is why I left social media, to distance myself from that contingent as much as I could. By the OP’s definition, expressing an ethical opinion about anything is ‘‘virtue-signalling.’’ There is no virtue-signalling in this thread by any negative definition, except maybe from the guy using the unfair treatment of men as a platform to spew his confused, ill-informed ideology about ‘‘liberal fascism’’ while attacking actual men in this thread who have been treated unfairly. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/193 "2017-06-01T17:10:58Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > We no longer have free speech, No, when a person is allowed to punch somebody for shouting, THEN you don’t have free speech. However, if she’d been eating garlic… ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/194 "2017-06-01T17:49:34Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > What a ridiculous overreaction. I don’t remotely condone this woman’s behavior, but it’s hardly unique to human history. People have been mean, loud, angry, harassing jerks throughout time. Red Pill enthusiasts are not uniquely oppressed in this regard, nor is this phenomenon any sort of new development. It’s not even a particularly egregious instance, from a historical perspective. The government, in this case, has done nothing to infringe anyone’s rights. I think if we have to watch that shitty film to properly discuss the legal ramifications of punching someone for yelling at you, you should have to take a government course that teaches you what fascism is. Or at least look it up in the dictionary. It’s certainly true that “people have been mean, loud, angry, harassing jerks throughout time.” This is the first time, however, that they’ve been able to act that way towards white men in the United States without the full force of American society coming down on them like a ton of bricks. Some of those white men are having trouble handling this. ---
**Author:** ![vd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@vd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vd)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/195 "2017-06-01T18:07:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Otherwise, you could just punch anyone for “using words”. That would come up in sentencing. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/196 "2017-06-01T18:11:21Z")
“He used words I didn’ unerstand, yer honor. So I hit him to make him talk normal.” ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/197 "2017-06-01T18:19:27Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > It’s certainly true that “people have been mean, loud, angry, harassing jerks throughout time.” This is the first time, however, that they’ve been able to act that way towards white men in the United States without the full force of American society coming down on them like a ton of bricks. Some of those white men are having trouble handling this. Just to be clear, I think that woman was being shitty. She just wasn’t being shitty in any kind of special, unique, new, original, or interesting way. I could list about twenty instances in American history where violence against certain controversial groups was pretty normalized. I’m thinking of the political conflict leading up to the revolutionary war, clashes between strikers and scabs at the turn of the century, women being beaten by the police for protesting in favor of suffrage, the Civil Rights Movement, Stonewall, abortion protesters, the backlash against Anita Sarkeesian, etc. etc. etc. History is littered with examples. I guess if you think it’s unusual to be treated this way for having controversial opinions, and you think this is a particularly shocking or egregious instance of such a phenomenon, you’ve been pretty sheltered up until this point. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/198 "2017-06-01T18:50:55Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I guess if you think it’s unusual to be treated this way for having controversial opinions, and you think this is a particularly shocking or egregious instance of such a phenomenon, you’ve been pretty sheltered up until this point. Nah, he’s just really really special. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/199 "2017-06-01T19:47:16Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > OK. > It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists. Violence aimed at political groups is a hallmark of fascism, peaceful protests are not. > [@](#): > > We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association. No, we do. “We” includes everyone, though, not just groups you like. The protestors have the right to assemble and speak too, and that’s what they were doing. > [@](#): > > We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, and are not allowed to defend ourselves. You can defend yourself from violence, not from words. Remember that “free speech” thing you were talking about, one sentence ago? > [@](#): > > We cross the thought police at grave risk. Being shouted at is not a grave risk. > [@](#): > > George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates. In _1984_, the power of the state is used to crush unorthodox political ideas, and ensure one-party rule. At the University of Toronto, some protestors yelled at some people. Hmmm, y’know, they just don’t seem all that comparable. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/200 "2017-06-01T19:51:49Z")
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