# "The Red Pill" and Feminist Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637 "2017-05-29T11:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/221 "2017-06-02T02:31:25Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > In light of the fact that all I was getting here was a competition between individuals competing in the moral superiority Olympics, I spoke to a real lawyer about this. > After watching the footage, he said. > > 1. The actions of the harpie constituted assault. The guy involved would have been justified in decking her. > 2. The obstruction of access to the venue constituted an unlawful act; the police were derelict in their duty in not clearing access. > 3. Under the circumstances, anyone being prevented from accessing the venue would be justified in using any force they deemed necessary to gain access. Courts would deem the obstruction by the protesters as an unlawful act and a justifying and mitigating factor. > 4. In that the obstruction and the corresponding assaults by the protesters are unlawful acts, any action taken by the victims in mitigating an unlawful act are mitigating and exonerating acts. > So decking the harpie, and any of her comrades, would be justified and lawful. Bullshit, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/222 "2017-06-02T04:07:11Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > The actions of the harpie . . . Oh for fuck’s sake. You mean “bitch”, right? Come now sirrah! Dost thou also call a maid a wench or shrew? Fie upon thee, scullion! > [@Punoqllads](#): > > A sock puppet over your hand does not constitute a real lawyer. But it does prevent calluses. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/223 "2017-06-02T06:10:21Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Why the scare quotes around" people" and " women"? Because he’s a troll and that sort of tactic inspires the credulous among us to respond. The more important question raised by this thread is: “What’s for dinner?” I had a Subway melt because there’s a Subway near my vet’s office. I was picking up my dog and didn’t want to leave her in the car while I went shopping, so I said to myself “hey, Subway!” I said it to her too but she didn’t seem to know what I meant. It was pretty good but not really great. All in all I’d go again in the same situation. The dog is feeling much better. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/224 "2017-06-02T06:24:13Z")
Good to know your dog is feeling better. What was wrong? On a related note, does anyone know of a dachshund in need of a home? Asking for a friend. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/225 "2017-06-02T06:47:25Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Good to know your dog is feeling better. What was wrong? I just found her abandoned and living in the street a couple of days ago so it was a big checkup for whatever she needs. I was afraid she had heartworm because she has a cough that sounds very much like a dog who does. But she doesn’t so that was a relief. She has 2 different tick-borne diseases but both are treatable with antibiotics and steroids, and a probable throat infection causing the cough - also treatable with antibiotics. She also has a flea allergy so she had been scratching herself raw. Otherwise though, the vet says she is in amazingly good shape under the circumstances and should fully recover with time and care. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > On a related note, does anyone know of a dachshund in need of a home? Asking for a friend. This rescue makes number four. My inn is full! (besides the fact that I don’t live in the US) But I hope you find her a home soon. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/226 "2017-06-02T07:07:33Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > But I hope you find her a home soon. Missed edit but on a re-read I see you’re asking for anyone with a Dachshund who needs a home. Somehow I read that as anyone who has a home for a Dachshund who needs one. I could find you 10 tomorrow if your friend will pick them up in Mexico. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/227 "2017-06-02T07:56:11Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > In light of the fact that all I was getting here was a competition between individuals competing in the moral superiority Olympics, I spoke to a real lawyer about this. > After watching the footage, he said. > > 1. The actions of the harpie constituted assault. The guy involved would have been justified in decking her. > 2. The obstruction of access to the venue constituted an unlawful act; the police were derelict in their duty in not clearing access. > 3. Under the circumstances, anyone being prevented from accessing the venue would be justified in using any force they deemed necessary to gain access. Courts would deem the obstruction by the protesters as an unlawful act and a justifying and mitigating factor. > 4. In that the obstruction and the corresponding assaults by the protesters are unlawful acts, any action taken by the victims in mitigating an unlawful act are mitigating and exonerating acts. > So decking the harpie, and any of her comrades, would be justified and lawful. 1. True and possibly. 2. True 3. True 4. True Your conclusion: false. Somehow you can have managed to come to the wrong conclusion despite getting the main points right. That takes some doing. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/228 "2017-06-02T08:01:19Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Thanks for the correction. I was going from memory. Not that I followed the case very closely when it happened. > > What was the woman’s final condition? No lasting harm, mild concussion, permanent paralysis, what? > > Do you have a link or a name I could search for? Not that I doubt you, I’d just like to close the loop on my own knowledge. Ask [and you shall receive.](http://nj1015.com/teen-emily-rand-hospitalized-by-skull-cracking-punch-home-after-2-months/). Which incidentally shows just why for the example in the OP, punching her is a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/229 "2017-06-02T09:19:51Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > 1. True and possibly. > 2. True > 3. True > 4. True > > Your conclusion: false. Somehow you can have managed to come to the wrong conclusion despite getting the main points right. That takes some doing. 3 is false: “justified in using **any force they deemed necessary** to gain access” (emphasis mine) is ill-informed. Reasonable force would be allowed, of course. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/230 "2017-06-02T13:08:25Z")
Crazyhorse, you are good people for taking care of that formerly homeless dog. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/231 "2017-06-02T13:12:55Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Ask [and you shall receive.](http://nj1015.com/teen-emily-rand-hospitalized-by-skull-cracking-punch-home-after-2-months/). > > Which incidentally shows just why for the example in the OP, punching her is a bad idea. I recall reading an article stating that people accidentally get killed in fistfights all the time. One solid blow with unintended consequences and it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/232 "2017-06-02T14:49:36Z")
The OPer comes across as looking for reasons to hate women. Did Derek move above the 67[sup]th[/sup] parallel? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/233 "2017-06-02T15:58:27Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > 1. True and possibly. > 2. True > 3. True > 4. True Can you show your work? For example, in the latest description of the event, there are no threats, just shouted insults. How can that be assault? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/234 "2017-06-02T16:11:16Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > The OPer comes across as looking for reasons to hate women. Did Derek move above the 67[sup]th[/sup] parallel? Of course he is. And in this thread he’s ignoring everyone’s good advice to continue to insist that he can punch a woman because REASONS. Lots of anger there, not a lot of intelligence or reason. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/235 "2017-06-02T18:19:59Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Can you show your work? For example, in the latest description of the event, there are no threats, just shouted insults. How can that be assault? I believe that getting in his way and preventing him from passing by is enough of a threat of unwanted touching to qualify as assault under the Canadian law referenced earlier in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/236 "2017-06-02T19:00:27Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > The OPer comes across as looking for reasons to hate women. Did Derek move above the 67[sup]th[/sup] parallel? Now, now. I think he already hates women. Now he’s looking for excuses to hit them publicly. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/237 "2017-06-02T19:08:58Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You, specifically, should be grateful that our society doesn’t allow us to punch annoying people in the face. [Moderating] That’s a bit close to threatening harm on another poster. Back off a bit. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/238 "2017-06-02T19:25:01Z")
Five pages in and only a very few people recognize the childish toxic fog this thread generates, out of one quasi-male’s infantile inability to relate with women at a post-pubescent level, and refuse to validate it with argument. To make it clear: if you think you’re expected to fuck women, and you can’t, you want to hit them. If by law you’re prevented from doing _that_, you go on message boards and try to find validation for your wish to hit them, which sublimates your never-to-be-fulfilled wish to fuck them. If you don’t get even _that_ satisfaction, you retreat to a fantasy that says you are right all along. Then you either retreat into your inadequate pornography-enhanced fantasy life forever, or you become an actual rapist, which includes all those inadequate men who assault women in _any_ way (like punching them in the face) while subscribing to the above delusions. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/239 "2017-06-02T20:08:51Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > I believe that getting in his way and preventing him from passing by is enough of a threat of unwanted touching to qualify as assault under the Canadian law referenced earlier in the thread. [That statute again was:](http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-265.html) 265 (1) A person commits an assault when (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly; (b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or (c) while openly wearing or carrying a weapon or an imitation thereof, he accosts or impedes another person or begs. Standing in front of a doorway sure doesn’t sound like the application of force, nor the threat of same. Is there caselaw, etc you can cite that backs up your interpretation? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/240 "2017-06-02T20:17:48Z")
I’d like to add that Canada has a [statute that covers the protestors’ conduct](http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-175.html), but it isn’t assault, and doesn’t justify violence against the protectors: Causing disturbance, indecent exhibition, loitering, etc. 175 (1) Every one who (a) not being in a dwelling-house, causes a disturbance in or near a public place, (i) by fighting, screaming, shouting, swearing, singing or using insulting or obscene language, (ii) by being drunk, or (iii) by impeding or molesting other persons, (b) openly exposes or exhibits an indecent exhibition in a public place, (c) loiters in a public place and in any way obstructs persons who are in that place, or (d) disturbs the peace and quiet of the occupants of a dwelling-house by discharging firearms or by other disorderly conduct in a public place or who, not being an occupant of a dwelling-house comprised in a particular building or structure, disturbs the peace and quiet of the occupants of a dwelling-house comprised in the building or structure by discharging firearms or by other disorderly conduct in any part of a building or structure to which, at the time of such conduct, the occupants of two or more dwelling-houses comprised in the building or structure have access as of right or by invitation, express or implied, is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637.md?page=13)