# "The Red Pill" and Feminist Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637 "2017-05-29T11:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/261 "2017-06-03T03:14:50Z")
> [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](#): > > Five pages in and only a very few people recognize the childish toxic fog this thread generates, out of one quasi-male’s infantile inability to relate with women at a post-pubescent level, and refuse to validate it with argument. To make it clear: if you think you’re expected to fuck women, and you can’t, you want to hit them. If by law you’re prevented from doing _that_, you go on message boards and try to find validation for your wish to hit them, which sublimates your never-to-be-fulfilled wish to fuck them. If you don’t get even _that_ satisfaction, you retreat to a fantasy that says you are right all along. Then you either retreat into your inadequate pornography-enhanced fantasy life forever, or you become an actual rapist, which includes all those inadequate men who assault women in _any_ way (like punching them in the face) while subscribing to the above delusions. I really, really wanted to keep discussing sleep aids, but I want to clarify one aspect of this. There are many people out there who do not have sex, who feel that they are expected to have sex, who yet somehow manage NOT to take this progression (no sex leads to frustrated entitlement leads to hatred and violence). (Men and women both end up lonely FTR.) The fact that the OP does follow this progression in this thread makes him pathological or a spectacular troll. Both possibly. On that note, did anyone say anything about the dosage on the melatonin? I’ve heard that lower dosages are actually better. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/262 "2017-06-03T03:17:42Z")
I gave myself four droppers as recommended. Maybe I should try fewer? ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/263 "2017-06-03T03:25:13Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I really, really wanted to keep discussing sleep aids, but I want to clarify one aspect of this. There are many people out there who do not have sex, who feel that they are expected to have sex, who yet somehow manage NOT to take this progression (no sex leads to frustrated entitlement leads to hatred and violence). (Men and women both end up lonely FTR.) The fact that the OP does follow this progression in this thread makes him pathological or a spectacular troll. Both possibly. > > On that note, did anyone say anything about the dosage on the melatonin? I’ve heard that lower dosages are actually better. For Pete’s sake. I called it a childish toxic fog, a quasi-male’s infantile inability to relate with women, and an inadequate pornography-fueled fantasy life. That wasn’t enough for you? Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/264 "2017-06-03T03:28:55Z")
> [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](#): > > For Pete’s sake. I called it a childish toxic fog, a quasi-male’s infantile inability to relate with women, and an inadequate pornography-fueled fantasy life. That wasn’t enough for you? Sheesh. I think she was saying, “Yes, and…” ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/265 "2017-06-03T03:33:11Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I think she was saying, “Yes, and…” You’re almost certainly right, and I apologize for my mild exasperation. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/266 "2017-06-03T03:42:26Z")
> [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](#): > > For Pete’s sake. I called it a childish toxic fog, a quasi-male’s infantile inability to relate with women, and an inadequate pornography-fueled fantasy life. That wasn’t enough for you? Sheesh. > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I think she was saying, “Yes, and…” The replies seemed to be going down the “ha, ha, the loser can’t get any sex” path. His ability to get or not get sex isn’t really the point. “Quasi-male’s infantile inability to relate with women, and an inadequate pornography-fueled fantasy life” is spot-on. He’s a freak looking for reasons to smack people, specifically women, around. Most people don’t do this. That’s what I wanted to reinforce. That’s the “Yes and…” I liked your post btw. It was a good summary of the OP and the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/267 "2017-06-03T04:06:16Z")
I felt we did catch on, though. I’m proud of us. I’m not comfortable assuming misogynists can’t get laid. Anybody can fake charming for a few dates. I’m more comfortable assuming they have miserable relationships, if any. And they think they’ve figured out why but are so, so wrong. See, I missed my melatonin window. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/268 "2017-06-03T04:11:20Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I felt we did catch on, though. I’m proud of us. > > I’m not comfortable assuming misogynists can’t get laid. Anybody can fake charming for a few dates. I’m more comfortable assuming they have miserable relationships, if any. And they think they’ve figured out why but are so, so wrong. ditto. > [@](#): > > See, I missed my melatonin window. ☹ What happens if you go ahead and take it now and do the lay down in the dark thing you mentioned? I don’t think it keeps you asleep. I think it gives your brain the “time to sleep” trigger. Could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/269 "2017-06-03T04:16:08Z")
By the way, I get what Sunny Daze is saying. When we equate not getting laid with loserishness we kinda buy into the MRA paradigm. But I have to assume some of them are getting laid because that’s THEIR goal, and why else would they assume this approach has any value? I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/270 "2017-06-03T07:23:26Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Also, a group of us were recently discussing the use of sublingual melatonin for sleep. Has anyone else tried this? Does it have be labelled sublingual to be used that way or is the liquid form sufficient? What dosage do you use? Just to throw in my two cents: My wife tried sublingual melatonin years ago, and it worked a treat for a few weeks, but then seemed to become less effective over time. I’m afraid I can’t help with information on dosage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637.md?page=13)