# "The Red Pill" and Feminist Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637 "2017-05-29T11:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/101 "2017-05-31T01:33:01Z")
Threats of violence are against the law. If the police refuse to do anything, assuming that someone has actually recorded it happening, you could pursue civil judgement against them (sue them), you can talk to the county/district attorney about it, or you can go to the media. Just like everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/102 "2017-05-31T01:35:41Z")
Yeah, basically. The best response when someone breaks the law at you is not to break the law in return. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/103 "2017-05-31T01:41:51Z")
Look, this is the way I have handled threats of violence in the past; “(threat of imminent violence)” Me: 😃 “Go ahead, give it a try. See how it works for you.” Never had anyone take me up on that, even through 4 years of security work. Of course, the other side of that is that I am a trained observer, have belts in multiple martial arts and have very keen instincts. **When I know there’s going to be actual violence, I leave.** But the point of this being not any kind of bragging, but an idea. If someone is threatening you in front of the police, what do you think is going to happen if they actually attack you? So at that point, what are you afraid of? That they WILL punch you? That the cops won’t do anything? You throw a punch, you’re the villain. That is what those people are hoping for - to bait you into being their villain. Laugh in their face, make them blink first. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/104 "2017-05-31T01:43:06Z")
Yeah: "MRA punches protesting feminist’’ is just the headline she’d be looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/105 "2017-05-31T02:01:03Z")
The problem may be that the OP did not get the answer that he wanted, rather than that the question was not answered immediately after it was asked. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/106 "2017-05-31T02:03:58Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > You, along with the mod and most of the posters to this thread, seem to have missed the point. > > I am all for free speech. In fact, that is why I went to see “The Red Pill”. I wanted to see what the fuss was all about. > > In my OP, I presented a context and cited a specific event that was documented in the movie. > Specifically, a group of people were attempting to have a meeting. They were prevented from doing that by protesters. > In other words a group of people were prevented from exercising their constitutional rights to: freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom to assemble, and freedom of movement. Like the US Constitution, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms restrains the _government_ from violating these rights, not regular citizens. > [@](#): > > In addition to this they were subjected to physical intimidation, vile verbal abuse and threats of physical violence… > In that the police failed in their duty to protect their constitutional rights, it was incumbent on the individuals to act to protect their own constitutional rights. > One response could be physically responding to the protesters using physical force. > Hence my question. > However, to this point, I have not received an answer to my question. > What I have received is virtue signaling and general ignorant personal abuse totally unrelated to my question. > Therefore, in that the current trend seems to be that people with “unacceptable” views are increasingly being subjected to increasingly violent obstruction to their exercising their constitutional rights, incidents such as depicted in the movie are becoming commonplace. > Since the police seem reluctant to protect the constitutional rights of “unacceptable” individuals, then the individuals must take it upon themselves to do so. > Therefore, if there is anyone with the appropriate knowledge, I would appreciate an answer. to my question. [Here’s the self-defense portion](http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-6.html#h-9) of the Canadian Criminal Code. I’m not a lawyer, but it looks to me that it comes down to the nature of the threats: mere verbal abuse, or imminent danger? Without video of the incident, it’s hard to say. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/107 "2017-05-31T02:12:21Z")
Also seems they’re a bunch of whiny little pussies without any actual intelligence to complain about this so much without even one of them being able to figure out how this here Law thing works. Obviously, none of them are cops or lawyers and not one of them knows Google-Fu. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/108 "2017-05-31T03:23:38Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > It’s not about oppression stupid. Nor about taking anything away from women have now, and believe me they have it good. It’s just about bringing issues forward that has a negative impact on men in order to mobilize change. It’s feminist that have tried to turn it into some women hating men’s club because like all ideologies that goes unchecked they become corrupt for power. For someone who _just got done_ complaining about how feminism isn’t just the dictionary definition, you sure are trying to paint a rosy fucking picture of MRAs. From my experience, almost _everything_ that MRAs are about is complaining about women. Even in the cases where they point out real issues, they can’t help but turn it into a “take this, _women_”, and utterly miss the actual _causes_, which in many cases is in fact patriarchal systems of control and toxic masculinity. And of course, there simply aren’t that many movements that try to coopt the feminist label that are as explicitly and _obscenely_ toxic as, say, MGTOW. RadFems might count in a pinch, I guess? ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Call_Me.Tim)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/109 "2017-05-31T04:43:49Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Just because you get good enough grades to get into uni doesn’t mean you’ll actually go. And a really large percentage of people (regardless of gender) change majors in the first year anyway. > > More importantly, just because you go to uni doesn’t mean you’ll actually get a degree. You know, if you fail your subjects or whatever. Not even that, if the only data point you look at is the acceptance rate per application, it could easily be that well-qualified male applicants tend to send out a larger number of applications than similarly qualified women do. A given male applicant can only actually attend one school, but can send out many applications. You’d need to look at an average acceptance rate per applicant rather than per application to control for this, and there’s no indication this was done. ---
**Author:** ![Polar\_Iceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Polar\_Iceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polar_Iceman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/110 "2017-05-31T05:31:00Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Like the US Constitution, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms restrains the _government_ from violating these rights, not regular citizens. > > [Here’s the self-defense portion](http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-6.html#h-9) of the Canadian Criminal Code. I’m not a lawyer, but it looks to me that it comes down to the nature of the threats: mere verbal abuse, or imminent danger? Without video of the incident, it’s hard to say. In that the quoted incident occurred in Canada, I read the relevant sections of the Canadian Criminal Code (link above). As I read it, in the incident quoted, the guy being abused would have been within his legal rights to deck the harpie. The code says “…no offence is committed…” However, it does not say where or when that determination is made: is it made on the spot, or are charges laid, then the determination is made in court? If charges are laid, who does that? I would assume that in the quoted incident, if the harpie was decked, the police would suddenly discover that they had a pair and come to her “rescue”. It is not clear to me what would happen then. Given this ambiguity, it seems to me that our civil rights and freedom of speech have been taken hostage by PC activists. The reality is that most people are too polite and reluctant to actively engage these terrorists, and will just back off and go home. This leaves the field to the terrorists, and our freedoms have been diminished. However, it is also possible that people will finally call “enough”, and start to push back. That could turn even more ugly than it already is. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/111 "2017-05-31T08:46:52Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > In that the quoted incident occurred in Canada, I read the relevant sections of the Canadian Criminal Code (link above). > As I read it, in the incident quoted, the guy being abused would have been within his legal rights to deck the harpie. And as sane people read it, he would not have been within his legal rights to deck her. > [@](#): > > The code says “…no offence is committed…” …if they reasonably believe that force or the threat of force is being used against them or another person. And that the force they use is used to defend themselves or the other person. And that the amount of force they use is reasonable. Saying mean things is not force and is not a threat of force. Force is the use of touching without consent. Talking is not touching. Yelling is not touching. Hitting someone is touching. If you deck her for yelling at you, you have assaulted her. You get to go to jail. Do not pass Go; do not collect $200. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/112 "2017-05-31T09:14:08Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Saying mean things is not force and is not a threat of force. Force is the use of touching without consent. Talking is not touching. Yelling is not touching. > > Hitting someone is touching. If you deck her for yelling at you, you have assaulted her. You get to go to jail. Do not pass Go; do not collect $200. Obstructing someone is using force… ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/113 "2017-05-31T09:42:06Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Obstructing someone is using force… If someone is in your way, it is not assault. You go around them. If they then move to obstruct you, that is a threat of unwanted touching. A reasonable amount of force to push past them without injuring them is not assault. Decking them is not a reasonable amount of force. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/114 "2017-05-31T09:59:32Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > If someone is in your way, it is not assault. You go around them. If they then move to obstruct you, that is a threat of unwanted touching. A reasonable amount of force to push past them without injuring them is not assault. Decking them is not a reasonable amount of force. I think it is. Shooting them is not, hitting them with a baseball bat is not. A puch is reasonable force in reaction to their violence. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/115 "2017-05-31T10:06:12Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > If someone is in your way, it is not assault. You go around them. If they then move to obstruct you, that is a threat of unwanted touching. A reasonable amount of force to push past them without injuring them is not assault. Decking them is not a reasonable amount of force. > [@Latro](#): > > I think it is. You’ve got another think coming. > [@](#): > > Shooting them is not, hitting them with a baseball bat is not. > A puch is reasonable force in reaction to their violence. You misspelled ‘putsch’. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/116 "2017-05-31T10:08:55Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > You’ve got another think coming. > > You misspelled ‘putsch’. So, no further arguments? ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/117 "2017-05-31T10:41:34Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > I think it is. Shooting them is not, hitting them with a baseball bat is not. > A puch is reasonable force in reaction to their violence. Well, I encourage you to try it. Then report back on how the police treated you after your arrest. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/118 "2017-05-31T11:36:16Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > Well, I encourage you to try it. > Then report back on how the police treated you after your arrest. I’m sure I wouldn’t be arrested, the situation would likely not even occur. My country isn’t as dysfunctional as the US. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/119 "2017-05-31T11:50:58Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > I’m sure I wouldn’t be arrested, the situation would likely not even occur. My country isn’t as dysfunctional as the US. If your country allows you to punch someone who isn’t attacking you, then I don’t think you have any place calling the US “dysfunctional.” ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/120 "2017-05-31T12:03:51Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > The problem may be that the OP did not get the answer that he wanted, rather than that the question was not answered immediately after it was asked. Pretty much. I certainly don’t think he _should_ be legally allowed to hit her, as I do not generally condone violence, but explaining the way the law works is not the same as saying, ‘‘Oh, this behavior is totally okay.’’ I do not think the woman’s behavior is okay (assuming it has been accurately represented by the OP.) _But the ethics of either behavior is not a question for GQ._ Hence it being moved to the Pit. The OP should know this if he has in fact been around since 2011. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637.md?page=7)