# "The Red Pill" and Feminist Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637 "2017-05-29T11:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/141 "2017-05-31T15:35:35Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Otherwise, you could just punch anyone for “using words”. Extend that to “using words over the internet” and I’ll move to Canada. Boy oh boy I’ll be busy. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/142 "2017-05-31T15:38:56Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > In full view of a police officer, without any attempt to engage that officer for assistance in entering the room. Which I mention in a post up thread. Thre point here is the provocation if any here is not merely words. [QUOTE=k9friender] If someone is preventing you from entering a place you have a right to enter, is assaulting them self defense? [/QUOTE] It certainly can be in the proper circumstance. I (as said above) don’t think will be here. But in other circumstances, certainly. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/143 "2017-05-31T15:40:53Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Which I mention in a post up thread. Thre point here is the provocation if any here is not merely words. And the point here is that your a goddamned idiot if you punch someone in front of cop. What part of that isn’t making it into your soft head? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/144 "2017-05-31T15:45:35Z")
I really don’t think **AK84** is trying to say physical assault is justified, based on his previous posts in this thread. He’s just pointing out that there’s a little more at play than ‘‘just words.’’ To me there is a meaningful difference between, ‘‘You’re a stupid fucking idiot for attending this movie,’’ and ‘‘I’m going to punch you if you try to go in there.’’ (Do we have an actual video of this or are we all just dealing in hypotheticals?) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/145 "2017-05-31T17:00:17Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > your a goddamned idiot Stop insulting my idiot :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/146 "2017-05-31T18:28:14Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Stop insulting my idiot :mad: Idiot is a word derived from the Greek ἰδιώτης, idiōtēs (“person lacking professional skill”, “a private citizen”, “individual”), from ἴδιος, idios (“private”, “one’s own”).[1] In Latin the word idiota (“ordinary person, layman”) preceded the Late Latin meaning “uneducated or ignorant person”.[2] Its modern meaning and form dates back to Middle English around the year 1300, from the Old French idiote (“uneducated or ignorant person”). The related word idiocy dates to 1487 and may have been analogously modeled on the words prophet[3] and prophecy.[4][5] The word has cognates in many other languages. An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.[6] Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education.[6] In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education (although citizenship was also largely hereditary). **“Idiot” originally referred to “layman, person lacking professional skill”, “person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning”. Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), was considered dishonorable. “Idiots” were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Over time, the term “idiot” shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment–individuals who are “stupid”.** According to the Bauer-Danker Lexicon, the noun ίδιωτής in ancient Greek meant “civilian” (ref Josephus Bell 2 178), “private citizen” (ref sb 3924 9 25), “private soldier as opposed to officer,” (Polybius 1.69), “relatively unskilled, not clever,” (Herodotus 2,81 and 7 199).[7] The military connotation in Bauer’s definition stems from the fact that ancient Greek armies in the time of total war mobilized all male citizens (to the age of 50) to fight, and many of these citizens tended to fight poorly and ignorantly. I’d say that attempting to fish for a “sure, go ahead and pop her” answer on this board qualifies one as an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/147 "2017-05-31T19:11:11Z")
To be clear, **AK84** is not fishing for that. He is saying the opposite. **Polar Iceman** is the soft-headed twit in question. He started this festival of a thread, which is going precisely as one would predict. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/148 "2017-05-31T19:15:45Z")
2 pages later, and no one has explained where the actual feminist violence occurred in the OP? I came in looking for a crazy woman bashing an MRA in the face with a two by four or something. Maybe even some blood and gore pictures of the aftermath. All I could find was an asshole punching someone. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/149 "2017-05-31T19:18:43Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > 2 pages later, and no one has explained where the actual feminist violence occurred in the OP? The woman was yelling at him and being all mean and hurtful right in front of a cop! it hurt his widdle feelings and made him go on a message board seeking (after the fact) permission to punch her in the mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/150 "2017-05-31T19:29:29Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > 2 pages later, and no one has explained where the actual feminist violence occurred in the OP? It’s in the OP. Outside some men’s rights seminar at the University of Toronto, which the OPer claims to have seen in _The Red Pill_. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/151 "2017-05-31T19:33:58Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > 2 pages later, and no one has explained where the actual feminist violence occurred in the OP? No violence. Yelling. Someone yelled at a man trying to enter a theater. Stood in his way. Cops didn’t stop her. She was mean. Can OP punch her to get into theater? There’s the violence inherent in the system. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/152 "2017-05-31T19:35:26Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > No violence. Yelling. Someone yelled at a man trying to enter a theater. Not theater; University of Toronto auditorium. Supposedly. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/153 "2017-05-31T20:01:21Z")
So the title of the thread is just a big fat lie? And MRAs wonder why nobody gives a fuck about their problems. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/154 "2017-05-31T20:15:37Z")
Well gosh, just look at the OP. There’s no finer example of poisoning the well in an OP to be found. Honestly, I have to seriously wonder what exactly Polar Iceman was looking for here, other than as I said, open permission to punch people who hurt his feelings. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/155 "2017-05-31T20:17:19Z")
I’m guessing [this](http://thevarsity.ca/2012/11/17/arrest-assaults-overshadow-mens-issues-lecture/) is the event mentioned in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/156 "2017-05-31T20:42:05Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Well gosh, just look at the OP. There’s no finer example of poisoning the well in an OP to be found. > > Honestly, I have to seriously wonder what exactly Polar Iceman was looking for here, other than as I said, open permission to punch people who hurt his feelings. Just waiting for the next billy goat gruff to cross the bridge, no doubt. He’s bigger than the last one! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/157 "2017-05-31T21:20:19Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Not theater; University of Toronto auditorium. Supposedly. There’s only one entrance to that? Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/158 "2017-05-31T21:24:35Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > There’s only one entrance to that? Huh. Just one man-only entrance. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/159 "2017-05-31T21:42:09Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > It certainly can be in the proper circumstance. I (as said above) don’t think will be here. But in other circumstances, certainly. What circumstances would those be? The only thing I can think of is if they are preventing your from leaving a fire or other dangerous area. And to be honest, if someone is preventing me from removing myself from a hazardous situation, I am not going to spend any time decking them in the mouth, but instead, just pushing them out of the way. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/160 "2017-05-31T21:51:24Z")
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