# "The Red Pill" and Feminist Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637 "2017-05-29T11:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/161 "2017-05-31T22:26:39Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > What circumstances would those be? > > The only thing I can think of is if they are preventing your from leaving a fire or other dangerous area. And to be honest, if someone is preventing me from removing myself from a hazardous situation, I am not going to spend any time decking them in the mouth, but instead, just pushing them out of the way. Plenty. You have asked them to move, multiple times. Its a hospital and you are a Doc/patient. (By the way under law, battery is any unwanted touch, a shove is also battery). In real life, Courts look at the complete circumstances ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/162 "2017-05-31T22:37:10Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Plenty. You have asked them to move, multiple times. So you are saying it is self defense if you have asked them to move, and they did not, multiple times? > [@](#): > > Its a hospital and you are a Doc/patient. A doctor can claim self defense to punch someone in his way to get in? I could see a patient, if they need to get to the emergency room and they are bleeding out, but that is as I said, removing oneself from a hazardous situation. > [@](#): > > (By the way under law, battery is any unwanted touch, a shove is also battery). In real life, Courts look at the complete circumstances Right, but so is punching someone in the mouth. As you say, the court is going to look at the complete circumstance, so they probably are not going to sanction me for using anything less than lethal force to remove someone from blocking my way out of a fire, and even lethal force may be appropriate. My point was just that I wouldn’t bother assaulting them specifically, but if I happened to assault them incidentally while escaping to safety, that’d be fine with me, and very likely with the law. Speaking of which, if the OP’s friend had simply pushed past this woman, that may have technically been battery, but it would be hard to see it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Polar\_Iceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Polar\_Iceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polar_Iceman)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/163 "2017-06-01T01:08:14Z")
I suggest that all the sanctimonious clowns who are so busy virtue signalling here that they go and watch the documentary and view the incident to which I have referred. When you actually have some knowledge of the incident, you can contribute to the question I have asked, rather than just getting that feel good rush you get by running off at the mouth about unrelated issues. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/164 "2017-06-01T01:32:50Z")
**Polar Iceman** This is what you said when you tried to get the thread moved back. Seems to me the movie is not necessary, at least that is how you tried to re-position it. Your question has been asked and answered. You can’t punch someone for getting in your face. You can go and ask the police, conveniently on hand, to help out. Stop pushing for a different answer that you’re not going to get. Recipes, anyone? We’re coming up on summer. Might be a good time for picnic food, or we could just go with cocktails again. > [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > No, this was a genuine question relating to a legal issue. > > If I am going about my legal business and I am obstructed from doing that, and in addition, subjected to vile verbal abuse, what is my recourse? > > My natural inclination would be to smack that person in the mouth a couple of times. However, clearly this presents some legal issues. > > So my question was: > > 1. What are the legal ramifications of my smacking her in the mouth. > 2. In light of the fact that the police were just standing there watching and refused to take action to protect my democratic right to go about my business, what is my recourse? > > These are not questions for the pit. They are questions that require a factual answer. > Could you please move the question back to the correct forum? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/165 "2017-06-01T02:09:01Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > I suggest that all the sanctimonious clowns who are so busy virtue signalling here that they go and watch the documentary and view the incident to which I have referred. > When you actually have some knowledge of the incident, you can contribute to the question I have asked, rather than just getting that feel good rush you get by running off at the mouth about unrelated issues. If the incident was as you described it, then there would be no justification for assault. Was your description incorrect? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/166 "2017-06-01T02:19:19Z")
Right \*after \*they hit you you’re welcome hit back reasonably proportionally. Or even more than that. A year or so ago there was a youtube sensation where some wasted young folks were leaving a club/bar at closing time. Some woman was following some man out and eventually she shouted something, he turned around and took a badly thrown but full-effort punch from her to his face. He instantly entered a skilled fighters crouch, counter-punched, and knocked her unconscious with one shot to her face. As it happened, she hit her head on a curb as she fell inert and died a couple days later never regaining consciousness. It was quite an intgernet sensation since it was all recorded on bystanders phones. It took just a couple days for the police to locate the guy. After no arrest and a short investigation **no charges were filed**. Bottom line: you can legally kill a woman for hitting you ineffectually. Even after it was widely broadcast on the internet. The police will do nothing. Just don’t hit her for shouting at you. Don’t hit a him for shouting at you either. Reality has a strong liberal bias. At least when viewed from the crazy bunker of the MRA crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/167 "2017-06-01T02:47:34Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > I suggest that all the sanctimonious clowns who are so busy virtue signalling here that they go and watch the documentary and view the incident to which I have referred. > When you actually have some knowledge of the incident, you can contribute to the question I have asked, rather than just getting that feel good rush you get by running off at the mouth about unrelated issues. This is the point at which you are either trolling this board, which could get you banned, or you’re simply dumb as fuck. Stop fishing for a different answer and man up. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/168 "2017-06-01T02:53:06Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > I suggest that all the sanctimonious clowns who are so busy virtue signalling here that they go and watch the documentary and view the incident to which I have referred. Honestly curious: [is this the incident](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxDSB5aAJl4)? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/169 "2017-06-01T02:54:41Z")
Yeah, she’s a loud mouth asshole. No, you still can’t punch her, dickless. ---
**Author:** ![Polar\_Iceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Polar\_Iceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polar_Iceman)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/170 "2017-06-01T04:24:14Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Honestly curious: [is this the incident](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxDSB5aAJl4)? I don’t know; it is not the footage that was shown in the documentary. However, the attitude of the obstructing crowd is pretty much the same as shown in the U of T footage. Since the virtue signalers here are evidently incapable of going to Youtube and viewing the documentary, I will describe the specific incident. The entrance to a lecture hall is blocked by a crowd of chanting and screaming “people”. They are physically blocking people from entering the hall. There is a group of police standing off to the side. A man walks up and indicates an intention of entering the hall. A “woman” detaches herself from the thugs and stands inches in front of him. She then places her face within inches of his and starts to scream vile abuse at him: “You are fucking scum”; “You are a fucking c\*\*t”; “You are a filthy rapist”; “You are a filthy fucking fascist”; “Etc, etc, more of the same”. He says nothing and moves to one side, then the other in order to get around her. She moves in parallel with him each time, continuing to block him, and continues to hurl verbal abuse at him. He turns to the police and says: “All I want to do is get inside and listen to a lecture.” The police ignore him. The abuse continues for another couple of minutes, then he turns and leaves the premises. Video ends. I repeat my question: if he had decked her, would he be convicted of any charges? As a supplementary question: could he file charges against the police for dereliction of duty? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/171 "2017-06-01T04:25:30Z")
Why are you not satisfied with the answers you’ve already gotten? What about your personal description of the incident do you think changes those answers? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/172 "2017-06-01T04:48:47Z")
I guess “virtue signaler” is the latest sneer for libruls? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/173 "2017-06-01T04:52:09Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I guess “virtue signaler” is the latest sneer for libruls? Well, it’s more subtle than “cucks.” ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/174 "2017-06-01T05:07:03Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I guess “virtue signaler” is the latest sneer for libruls? You guys who behave ethically instead of randomly assaulting people who say mean things are just signalling your virtue. “Oh look at me, not committing any crimes! La di dah!” ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/175 "2017-06-01T05:12:15Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > Since the virtue signalers here are evidently incapable of going to Youtube and viewing the documentary, I will describe the specific incident. The documentary costs $4 on Youtube. You can’t expect people to pay money to watch a scene in a documentary, that you’ve already described. > [@](#): > > The entrance to a lecture hall is blocked by a crowd of chanting and screaming “people”. They are physically blocking people from entering the hall. There is a group of police standing off to the side. > A man walks up and indicates an intention of entering the hall. > A “woman” detaches herself from the thugs and stands inches in front of him. She then places her face within inches of his and starts to scream vile abuse at him: > “You are fucking scum”; “You are a fucking c\*\*t”; “You are a filthy rapist”; “You are a filthy fucking fascist”; “Etc, etc, more of the same”. > He says nothing and moves to one side, then the other in order to get around her. She moves in parallel with him each time, continuing to block him, and continues to hurl verbal abuse at him. > He turns to the police and says: “All I want to do is get inside and listen to a lecture.” > The police ignore him. > The abuse continues for another couple of minutes, then he turns and leaves the premises. Video ends. > I repeat my question: if he had decked her, would he be convicted of any charges? Yes, he would be guilty of assault. As already discussed, Canada’s self-defense law does not apply to someone being yelled at, it requires the unlawful use or force, or the threat of unlawful force accompanied by an overt act. Yelling is neither. > [@](#): > > As a supplementary question: could he file charges against the police for dereliction of duty? No, as Canada has no dereliction-of-duty statute. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/176 "2017-06-01T05:25:19Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So you are saying it is self defense if you have asked them to move, and they did not, multiple times? > > A doctor can claim self defense to punch someone in his way to get in? > > I could see a patient, if they need to get to the emergency room and they are bleeding out, but that is as I said, removing oneself from a hazardous situation. They can claim anything, whether it succeeds or not depends on the exact circumstances. Do note: Self-defence comes with a two-part test. First was there an actual or reasonably perceived threat? Were the actions taken to remedy that threat reasonable in the circumstances? What you are doing is mixing those two up, Once the first is established, then the Courts will normally not second guess the person as to what level of force said person applied; even if the Court finds it to have been excessive \*unless \*it is wholly out of proportion to the threat. Yo8 are not expected to precisely weigh up your response to the specific degree. Plus your response is not necessarily one action but multiple continuous actions. Throwing a punch right after being blocked is a different kettle of fish from throwing one when multiple attempts to reason have failed. If you have asked multiple times and not obtained compliance than its unlikely they will find that you acted wholly out of proportion to the threat, even if you did use more than the strictly necessary force. Our OP fellow fails the wholly out of proportion part because the police were right there. Hell, he might even fail the first, is there a threat part. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/177 "2017-06-01T05:50:19Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > I don’t know; it is not the footage that was shown in the documentary. > > However, the attitude of the obstructing crowd is pretty much the same as shown in the U of T footage. > > Since the virtue signalers here are evidently incapable of going to Youtube and viewing the documentary, I will describe the specific incident. > > The entrance to a lecture hall is blocked by a crowd of chanting and screaming “people”. They are physically blocking people from entering the hall. There is a group of police standing off to the side. > A man walks up and indicates an intention of entering the hall. > A “woman” detaches herself from the thugs and stands inches in front of him. She then places her face within inches of his and starts to scream vile abuse at him: > “You are fucking scum”; “You are a fucking c\*\*t”; “You are a filthy rapist”; “You are a filthy fucking fascist”; “Etc, etc, more of the same”. > He says nothing and moves to one side, then the other in order to get around her. She moves in parallel with him each time, continuing to block him, and continues to hurl verbal abuse at him. > He turns to the police and says: “All I want to do is get inside and listen to a lecture.” > The police ignore him. > The abuse continues for another couple of minutes, then he turns and leaves the premises. Video ends. > I repeat my question: if he had decked her, would he be convicted of any charges? > As a supplementary question: could he file charges against the police for dereliction of duty? Would you be going on ad nauseum if it had been a man who’d blocked the guy? Or is it because it was one of those uppity wimmen? Your question has been answered numerous times. It’s not going to change. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/178 "2017-06-01T06:00:51Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > The entrance to a lecture hall is blocked by a crowd of chanting and screaming “people”. They are physically blocking people from entering the hall. There is a group of police standing off to the side. > A man walks up and indicates an intention of entering the hall. > A “woman” detaches herself from the thugs and stands inches in front of him. She then places her face within inches of his and starts to scream vile abuse at him: > “You are fucking scum”; “You are a fucking c\*\*t”; “You are a filthy rapist”; “You are a filthy fucking fascist”; “Etc, etc, more of the same”. > He says nothing and moves to one side, then the other in order to get around her. She moves in parallel with him each time, continuing to block him, and continues to hurl verbal abuse at him. > He turns to the police and says: “All I want to do is get inside and listen to a lecture.” > The police ignore him. > The abuse continues for another couple of minutes, then he turns and leaves the premises. Video ends. > I repeat my question: if he had decked her, would he be convicted of any charges? Most likely convicted of assault. Decking her under those circumstances would be disproportionate force. My condolences if this does not fit your preconceived answer. ---
**Author:** ![Polar\_Iceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Polar\_Iceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polar_Iceman)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/179 "2017-06-01T08:12:58Z")
OK. It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists. We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association. We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, and are not allowed to defend ourselves. We cross the thought police at grave risk. George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637/180 "2017-06-01T11:31:39Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Why are you not satisfied with the answers you’ve already gotten? What about your personal description of the incident do you think changes those answers? Because it’s not the answer he wants. The answer he wants is “yes, it’s ok for me to assault a woman who won’t do what I say.” > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I guess “virtue signaler” is the latest sneer for libruls? it’s one line item on the “MRA Asshole Checklist.” along with “dog whistle,” “cuck,” and “SJW.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-red-pill-and-feminist-violence/787637.md?page=10)