Plenty. You have asked them to move, multiple times. Its a hospital and you are a Doc/patient. (By the way under law, battery is any unwanted touch, a shove is also battery). In real life, Courts look at the complete circumstances
So you are saying it is self defense if you have asked them to move, and they did not, multiple times?
A doctor can claim self defense to punch someone in his way to get in?
I could see a patient, if they need to get to the emergency room and they are bleeding out, but that is as I said, removing oneself from a hazardous situation.
Right, but so is punching someone in the mouth.
As you say, the court is going to look at the complete circumstance, so they probably are not going to sanction me for using anything less than lethal force to remove someone from blocking my way out of a fire, and even lethal force may be appropriate. My point was just that I wouldn’t bother assaulting them specifically, but if I happened to assault them incidentally while escaping to safety, that’d be fine with me, and very likely with the law.
Speaking of which, if the OP’s friend had simply pushed past this woman, that may have technically been battery, but it would be hard to see it that way.
I suggest that all the sanctimonious clowns who are so busy virtue signalling here that they go and watch the documentary and view the incident to which I have referred.
When you actually have some knowledge of the incident, you can contribute to the question I have asked, rather than just getting that feel good rush you get by running off at the mouth about unrelated issues.
Polar Iceman This is what you said when you tried to get the thread moved back. Seems to me the movie is not necessary, at least that is how you tried to re-position it. Your question has been asked and answered. You can’t punch someone for getting in your face. You can go and ask the police, conveniently on hand, to help out.
Stop pushing for a different answer that you’re not going to get.
Recipes, anyone? We’re coming up on summer. Might be a good time for picnic food, or we could just go with cocktails again.
If the incident was as you described it, then there would be no justification for assault.
Was your description incorrect?
Right *after *they hit you you’re welcome hit back reasonably proportionally. Or even more than that.
A year or so ago there was a youtube sensation where some wasted young folks were leaving a club/bar at closing time. Some woman was following some man out and eventually she shouted something, he turned around and took a badly thrown but full-effort punch from her to his face. He instantly entered a skilled fighters crouch, counter-punched, and knocked her unconscious with one shot to her face. As it happened, she hit her head on a curb as she fell inert and died a couple days later never regaining consciousness.
It was quite an intgernet sensation since it was all recorded on bystanders phones. It took just a couple days for the police to locate the guy. After no arrest and a short investigation no charges were filed.
Bottom line: you can legally kill a woman for hitting you ineffectually. Even after it was widely broadcast on the internet. The police will do nothing. Just don’t hit her for shouting at you. Don’t hit a him for shouting at you either.
Reality has a strong liberal bias. At least when viewed from the crazy bunker of the MRA crowd.
This is the point at which you are either trolling this board, which could get you banned, or you’re simply dumb as fuck.
Stop fishing for a different answer and man up.
Honestly curious: is this the incident?
Yeah, she’s a loud mouth asshole.
No, you still can’t punch her, dickless.
I don’t know; it is not the footage that was shown in the documentary.
However, the attitude of the obstructing crowd is pretty much the same as shown in the U of T footage.
Since the virtue signalers here are evidently incapable of going to Youtube and viewing the documentary, I will describe the specific incident.
The entrance to a lecture hall is blocked by a crowd of chanting and screaming “people”. They are physically blocking people from entering the hall. There is a group of police standing off to the side.
A man walks up and indicates an intention of entering the hall.
A “woman” detaches herself from the thugs and stands inches in front of him. She then places her face within inches of his and starts to scream vile abuse at him:
“You are fucking scum”; “You are a fucking c**t”; “You are a filthy rapist”; “You are a filthy fucking fascist”; “Etc, etc, more of the same”.
He says nothing and moves to one side, then the other in order to get around her. She moves in parallel with him each time, continuing to block him, and continues to hurl verbal abuse at him.
He turns to the police and says: “All I want to do is get inside and listen to a lecture.”
The police ignore him.
The abuse continues for another couple of minutes, then he turns and leaves the premises. Video ends.
I repeat my question: if he had decked her, would he be convicted of any charges?
As a supplementary question: could he file charges against the police for dereliction of duty?
Why are you not satisfied with the answers you’ve already gotten? What about your personal description of the incident do you think changes those answers?
I guess “virtue signaler” is the latest sneer for libruls?
Well, it’s more subtle than “cucks.”
You guys who behave ethically instead of randomly assaulting people who say mean things are just signalling your virtue. “Oh look at me, not committing any crimes! La di dah!”
The documentary costs $4 on Youtube. You can’t expect people to pay money to watch a scene in a documentary, that you’ve already described.
Yes, he would be guilty of assault. As already discussed, Canada’s self-defense law does not apply to someone being yelled at, it requires the unlawful use or force, or the threat of unlawful force accompanied by an overt act. Yelling is neither.
No, as Canada has no dereliction-of-duty statute.
They can claim anything, whether it succeeds or not depends on the exact circumstances.
Do note: Self-defence comes with a two-part test. First was there an actual or reasonably perceived threat? Were the actions taken to remedy that threat reasonable in the circumstances? What you are doing is mixing those two up, Once the first is established, then the Courts will normally not second guess the person as to what level of force said person applied; even if the Court finds it to have been excessive *unless *it is wholly out of proportion to the threat. Yo8 are not expected to precisely weigh up your response to the specific degree. Plus your response is not necessarily one action but multiple continuous actions. Throwing a punch right after being blocked is a different kettle of fish from throwing one when multiple attempts to reason have failed.
If you have asked multiple times and not obtained compliance than its unlikely they will find that you acted wholly out of proportion to the threat, even if you did use more than the strictly necessary force.
Our OP fellow fails the wholly out of proportion part because the police were right there. Hell, he might even fail the first, is there a threat part.
Would you be going on ad nauseum if it had been a man who’d blocked the guy? Or is it because it was one of those uppity wimmen? Your question has been answered numerous times. It’s not going to change.
Most likely convicted of assault. Decking her under those circumstances would be disproportionate force. My condolences if this does not fit your preconceived answer.
OK.
It seems that our society has surrendered to the fascists.
We no longer have free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of association.
We are not allowed to express non PC opinions, and are not allowed to defend ourselves.
We cross the thought police at grave risk.
George Orwell was a prophet; it’s just that he was a little early with his dates.
Because it’s not the answer he wants. The answer he wants is “yes, it’s ok for me to assault a woman who won’t do what I say.”
it’s one line item on the “MRA Asshole Checklist.” along with “dog whistle,” “cuck,” and “SJW.”