# The Redskins SuckWagon: Get on board, 'Skins fans! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 29, 2001, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476 "2001-09-29T09:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/1 "2001-09-29T09:55:58Z")
Now that the name issue has been resolved (although, like Aragorn in LotR, we have [many names), I thought it was time to get our primary name - the **Suckwagon** [sup]TM[/sup] into the thread title - and make this the ongoing thread for celebrating Redskins suckiness for the rest of the season. šŸ™‚ So, the first question: how badly will the 'Skins suck tomorrow against KC? [url=ā€œ[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=89771](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=89771)ā€]Gazoo]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1649042#post1649042](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1649042#post1649042))'s prediction is Chiefs 13, 'Skins 9 - but Iā€™m personally having a hard time imagining it to be so close. KC is also 0-2, but their two losses have been against teams that went deep into the playoffs last year, losing 27-24 to the Raiders and 13-3 to the Giants. That says to me that they may not exactly be a playoff team themselves, but they still probably have a hell of a lot more life than our guys. IOW, it could suck pretty bad - and once things start sliding, we can count on some serious booing from the faithful at FedEx Field. (Wonder how FedEx feels about that now, huh? :D) From there, it should go downhill fast. Iā€™m gonna say 27-6, Chiefs; I think we might be able to get _two_ FGs this week! _Hail to the Deadskinsā€¦_ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/2 "2001-09-29T09:58:05Z")
Well, Iā€™d _meant_ to previewā€¦but the early-a.m. cobwebs clearly hadnā€™t dissipated yet. That link is [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1649042#post1649042). ---
**Author:** ![MysterEcks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MysterEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysterEcks)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/3 "2001-09-29T22:24:29Z")
I am simultaneously a fan of the Steelers, the Pirates, and Penn State. So donā€™t tell _me_about Suckwagonsā€“Iā€™m riding three of 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Geobabe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/geobabe/32/3908_2.png) [@Geobabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geobabe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/4 "2001-09-30T01:19:03Z")
The line is Chiefs by 2Ā½ā€¦HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No way is it even gonna be that close. Iā€™m rooting for another shutout, baybee! If youā€™re gonna be an ass, why be half-assed? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/5 "2001-09-30T06:29:06Z")
_ **Refraining from making a comment about Geobabeā€™s lovely ass with difficulty** _\* [sub] **Ravens** ROCK![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Geobabe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/geobabe/32/3908_2.png) [@Geobabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geobabe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/6 "2001-09-30T12:56:21Z")
Dave, do I have to say it again? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/7 "2001-09-30T13:38:48Z")
Hey **Dave** , your point is??? I mean, weā€™re here in this thread to revel in the complete and total suckosity of the Deadskins. Of _course_ somebody elseā€™s team is going to rock. Hell, _everybody_ rocks, compared to our team. Thatā€™s what the threadā€™s _about_. So weā€™re glad the Ravens rock. So do the Packers, and the Broncos, and a whole bunch of other teams. Iā€™m glad for you that _your_ team rocks. Now, back to the **SuckWagon** , which is getting ready to roll, even as we speak: \*Yes, our team is really bad but we donā€™t give a fuck: R-E-D, S-K-I, N-S-U-C-K! If youā€™re hoping they will win youā€™re really out of luck: R-E-D, S-K-I, N-S-U-C-K! Redskins suck, Redskins suck, the Redskins suck, they suck, they really blow-ho-ho-ho! ā€¦ \* ---
**Author:** ![SterlingNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@SterlingNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SterlingNorth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/8 "2001-09-30T17:52:40Z")
I want the record to show that at 1:49pm EDT, the Washington Redskins actually posted a lead, for the frist time this season. They promptly lost that lead two minutes later. ---
**Author:** ![Geobabe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/geobabe/32/3908_2.png) [@Geobabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geobabe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/9 "2001-09-30T18:09:03Z")
Ah, so much for my shutout. ā˜¹ Theyā€™ll still lose, though, I have faith. In the words of [Michael Wilbon](http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac3/ContentServer?articleid=A20166-2001Sep25&pagename=article), ā€œitā€™s possible now that every team in the NFL is better than the Redskins.ā€ My man Wilbon. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/10 "2001-09-30T18:26:03Z")
The Redskins actually scored a touchdown! (As the Onion might say, ā€œHoly fucking shit!ā€) Are they allowed to do that?? Of course, it took a very borderline pass interference call. And equally of course, the Chiefs came right back to take their lead back to 11. **Geobabe** , youā€™re right about Wilbon - heā€™s the man. Despite my longtime loyalty to Boswell - who I used to know, an eon ago - Wilbonā€™s the best sportswriter at the Washington Post, and heā€™s got to be one of the best in the country. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/11 "2001-09-30T18:31:05Z")
I forecasted 27-6; itā€™s 28-10 at the _half_. And with 6 seconds left in the half, the 'Skins almost failed to recover the _kickoff_. Sheesh. _R-E-D, S-K-I, N-S-U-C-K!_ ---
**Author:** ![Atreyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@Atreyu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atreyu)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/12 "2001-09-30T20:30:48Z")
Itā€™s final. Kansas City Chiefs over the Washington Redskins by a score of 45-13. So the scores so far: Lost 30-3 to San Diego Lost 37-0 to Green Bay Lost 45-13 to Kansas City This means that so far this year they have been outscored 112-16. Yow. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/13 "2001-09-30T20:46:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Geobabe \* > \*\*Dave, do I have to say it again? \*\* Ok, ok, Iā€™ll be good. Please resume your suck fest without me. ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/14 "2001-09-30T20:51:21Z")
Hey, I think the record for the first (and only) team to go without a win all season is still up for grabs, right? Think of it, if they get it this year, then they can start sending champagne cases to the team that _loses_ to the last remaining winless teamā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/15 "2001-09-30T21:17:47Z")
The Tampa Bay Buccanneers went 0-16 in their initial season, IIRC. But I think it would be a first for a non-expansion team. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/16 "2001-09-30T21:29:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Atreyu \* > Lost 30-3 to San Diego > Lost 37-0 to Green Bay > Lost 45-13 to Kansas City Yup. _Everybody_ rocks, compared to the Redskins. :rolleyes: The funny thing about Schottenheimer is that heā€™s made his reputation with defense and special teams. So the 'Skins are giving up 37 points per game, and their special teams suck. Yeah, I know, _all aspects_ of the team suck. But even still. Because special teams naturally get a bit less attention than the offense and defense, and because there are relatively few of what one might call ā€˜special-teams startersā€™, itā€™s an area of a teamā€™s performance that _can_ be upgraded pretty quickly by a head coach with an inclination to do so. And yet they look like they do. ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/17 "2001-09-30T21:40:31Z")
> [@](#): > > The Tampa Bay Buccanneers went 0-16 in their initial season, IIRC. But I think it would be a first for a non-expansion team. Hey, if itā€™s a record, itā€™s good enough for me! 0 and 16! 0 and 16! ---
**Author:** ![headshok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@headshok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/headshok)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/18 "2001-09-30T23:35:28Z")
I think the Bucs actually went 0-14. There have been a few 1-15 teams since, but no oneā€™s actually gone 0-16 yet. Thereā€™s still hope! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/19 "2001-10-01T13:46:03Z")
According to Vermeil, the 'Skins donā€™t have enough good players, and: > [@](#): > > have a lot of old guys who like to bitch and moan, and now have to work for a living. Well, like who, exactly? Like Darrell Green? Like Bruce Smith? Stephen Davis? Who are these bad actors, Dick? As [Michael Wilbon](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50276-2001Sep30.html) pointed out this morning, Schottenheimer picked 30 of the players now on the Redskinsā€™ roster. And the holdovers, in addition to the names Iā€™ve just listed, include players such as Jon Jansen, Champ Bailey, LaVar Arrington, and Chris Samuels - players that any team would love to get its hands on. So, Dick, are you telling me that this team doesnā€™t have enough talent and desire to at least be _respectable_? Gimme a #$&\*@! break. ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/20 "2001-10-01T15:01:53Z")
Shouldnā€™t you be throwing yourself UNDER the wheels of the wagon? Donā€™t seem fair. It seems theyā€™re always playing the best team in the league each weekā€¦ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476.md?page=2)