# The Redskins SuckWagon: Get on board, 'Skins fans! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 29, 2001, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476 "2001-09-29T09:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/21 "2001-10-01T17:26:12Z")
Were the Chiefs ever any good under Schottenheimer? I certainly don’t remember them. (Of course, as a Browns fan, I’ve always just assumed that Schottenheimer’s a bad coach.) –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/22 "2001-10-01T17:33:05Z")
I’m all for an 0-16 season, but I’d feel bad for Daryl Green. –Cliffy, again ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/23 "2001-10-01T17:53:00Z")
So will we see a “Beyond the Gory” special on the hole team, Snyder, Shottenheimer, who? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/24 "2001-10-01T18:24:35Z")
Having been on the suck wagon last year (Go Chargers!) I highly sympathize with your situation. (HEY YOU! BACK AWAY FROM NORV! YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE, YOU GAVE HIM UP!) I must say, you’re taking it with the right attitude. Although, I had a harder time embracing it, because our games were generally close, so it felt like we COULD be doing well. Just to clear up two things I read… I believe the Bucs record was 0-15… Either way, I clearly remember thinking we’d be the very first 0-16 team. Second, to whoever asked… Schottenheimer was a bit like the Jim Mora of the late 80’s/early 90’s. His teams always played really well in the season and then sank like a rock in the playoffs. Although, Marty does have at least a couple of playoff wins. I think you guys have talent… but little to no teamwork or chemistry. I really feel bad that you don’t even get the first pick in the draft to look forward to. But, number two ain’t bad. Besides, you’ll probably be looking for something different than Houston anyway. Anyway, I’m going back to my wagon. If it cheers you up, just look at us and see how fast the suck wagon can become the party wagon! ---
**Author:** ![Hugh\_Jass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/4da419/32.png) [@Hugh\_Jass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hugh_Jass)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/25 "2001-10-01T21:36:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Screeme \* > \*\*Having been on the suck wagon last year (Go Chargers!) I highly sympathize with your situation. (HEY YOU! BACK AWAY FROM NORV! YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE, YOU GAVE HIM UP!) > > Just to clear up two things I read… I believe the Bucs record was 0-15… Either way, I clearly remember thinking we’d be the very first 0-16 team. > > \*\* No matter how bad the 'skins are this year, I’m still glad Norv is gone. Enjoy him as an offensive coordinator. Just hope he never becomes your head coach. Your team will wrest defeat from the jaws of victory with an amazing consistency, he will say something like “We have to stop doing that,” and the same thing will happen next week. Lousy players won’t be cut, no one will take responsibility and you won’t make the playoffs. I don’t think Schotty will be coaching next year unless things turn around in an amazing fashion. And why did they only run Stephen Davis 13 times? ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/26 "2001-10-01T21:40:59Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m all for an 0-16 season, but I’d feel bad for Daryl Green. Hmm, you have a point there. After all, the man has hauled ass for countless years–playing better at 40 than most players do at 25–just to get this shoved upon him. Although it might make retiring easier for him… ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/27 "2001-10-01T21:45:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Myrr21 \* > \*\*Hey, I think the record for the first (and only) team to go without a win all season is still up for grabs, right? > > Think of it, if they get it this year, then they can start sending champagne cases to the team that _loses_ to the last remaining winless team… \*\* As a long time Saint’s… Um… follower, I can attest that they are another team that went 0-16 (1982, I think?). ---
**Author:** ![headshok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@headshok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/headshok)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/28 "2001-10-01T22:10:35Z")
…there have been no 0-16 teams in the [history](http://users.erols.com/mattmark/nfl/nfl.htm#worst) of the NFL. Tampa went 0-14 in 1976, Baltimore went 0-8-1 in 1982 (strike season), and there have been a number of teams that reached 1-15. ---
**Author:** ![SterlingNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@SterlingNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SterlingNorth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/29 "2001-10-02T13:05:07Z")
Well, the idea is getting traction. The guy behind the Wash Post’s _Style Invitational_ is leading the charge for 0-16. > [@](#): > > This won’t be easy. Sure, you have to be encouraged by the way opposing runners knifed through our defenders at will on Sunday, scampering as far as they wished until they either scored a touchdown or dropped from exhaustion. And our all-mosey offense appeared to consist entirely of runners dragging peglegs. > > But let’s not kid ourselves – there is a long road ahead of us. Sure, there will be easy weeks: We’ll get squeegeed like a dead gnat off a windshield by the Giants Sunday, but what about our subsequent game against the hapless, ammunitionless Dallas Cowboys? This is a game the Skins might, tragically, win. > > [more\>\>\>](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55419-2001Oct1.html) Not a chance! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/30 "2001-10-02T15:58:03Z")
Eat my dust, Gene Weingarten - I beat ya to it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/31 "2001-10-02T15:59:13Z")
Well, **RT** , I’ve been avoiding this thread. But I just can’t anymore. Christ, I hope we still have next years #1 pick, because it looks like that might have some real value! How bad will we be? Only our hairdresser knows for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/32 "2001-10-02T16:07:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > **Christ, I hope we still have next years #1 pick, because it looks like that might have some real value!** It gets even better: The Houston Texans get the #1 pick next year. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tramp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tramp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tramp)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/33 "2001-10-02T16:40:58Z")
OMG, I just moved to the DC area and they suck so much. I have tickets for the Eagles v. Skins game and I’m thinking about watching my paint dry instead ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/34 "2001-10-02T16:51:29Z")
Might ask **Montfort** if he wants to buy 'em. He’s an avid Eagles fan, and lives in the DC area. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/35 "2001-10-02T16:56:03Z")
Ah, yes. Another wonderful fall of Sunday films, museums, girls, fishing, and painting. Call me a fair weather fan if you will, but since 1992 I’ve had a strict policy of not watching Washington if they have not won two games in a row. As a result, I’ve watched about three games in the past five years. There are a lot of wonderful things to do on gameday besides being embarassed and depressed. 1. That’s a significant year. Yes, it was the last year DC was any good, and Joe’s last year, but there is something else, too. In 1992, seven prominent American Indians filed a suit before the U.S. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board, claimng that the name “Redskins” was disparaging to Native Americans in violation of Section 2(a) of the Trademark Act. Washington has been stripping trailer hitches ever since. Now, I’m not a superstitious guy, but… _ **Change the fucking name.** _ It’s the only thing DC hasn’t messed with yet. What do we have to lose, besides another season? ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/36 "2001-10-02T18:20:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RTFirefly \* > \*\*Might ask **Montfort** if he wants to buy 'em. He’s an avid Eagles fan, and lives in the DC area. \*\* Hmm, it’s 16 December, which is good for me. However, I know **Anniz** wouldn’t want to go with me, so maybe a Skins fan (heheh) would be interested in being taunted all afternoon. Kim? Lise? Nate? Anyone? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/37 "2001-10-02T18:43:09Z")
I could be talked into it, depending on price. **tramp** , if you’d seriously be interested in letting go of those ducats, drop me and Montfort an email, and let us know what you’d be asking. ---
**Author:** ![tramp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tramp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tramp)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/38 "2001-10-02T19:22:31Z")
I dunno how much they are worth… they were free for me ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/39 "2001-10-02T19:35:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tramp \* > \*\*I dunno how much they are worth… they were free for me \*\* And worth every penny. ---
**Author:** ![SterlingNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@SterlingNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SterlingNorth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476/40 "2001-10-02T21:35:29Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **John Corrado** _ > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by tramp \* > > I dunno how much they are worth… they were free for me > > And worth every penny. I’d say he has paid too much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-redskins-suckwagon-get-on-board-skins-fans/84476.md?page=3)