# The reign of King Charles III of the United Kingdom **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232 "2022-09-08T18:05:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/201 "2022-09-10T17:48:22Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > When Charles became Prince of Wales, it was a small notification in the [London Gazette](https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41460/page/4733). As I recall, his mother announced it in an audio message to the closing ceremony of the Empire Games in Cardiff in 1958. The investiture and its timing was to some extent chosen for PR reasons. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/202 "2022-09-10T18:13:02Z")
Looking at the list of [Princes of Wales](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Wales#List_of_Princes_of_Wales_(English_or_British_heirs_apparent)), except for Charles, the last few were made Prince of Wales a few months after they became heir apparent. William was created on his father’s first full day as King, which is unusual. They seem to want to wait at least till after the funeral. I wonder if they wanted to do it quickly, before the Welsh nationalists could make it an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/203 "2022-09-10T19:10:30Z")
I think it’s more likely that Wills is already 40, so why wait? Plus, seamless transition. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/204 "2022-09-10T19:17:20Z")
Yeah. The royal titles are usually given as a wedding present or a coming-of-age present. He’s already married and middle-aged. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/205 "2022-09-10T19:25:53Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I wonder if they wanted to do it quickly, before the Welsh nationalists could make it an issue. It looks as though someone is busy on this Wikipedia page, claiming that thousands have already signed a petition objecting to the title: > **[Prince of Wales](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_end_the_Prince_of_Wales_title)** > > Prince of Wales (Welsh: Tywysog Cymru, .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}pronounced \[təu̯ˈəsoɡ ˈkəmrɨ\]; Latin: Princeps Cambriae/Walliae) is a title traditionally given to the male heir apparent to the English and, later, British thrones. The title originated with the Welsh rulers of Gwynedd who, from the late 12th century, used it ... ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/206 "2022-09-10T20:03:28Z")
At least his mother died knowing that the United Kingdom didn’t break up on her watch. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/207 "2022-09-10T22:37:39Z")
Was talking with an acquaintance today, and she reminded me of something. “Remember back in the '90s, when Charles was giving a speech and someone ran up with him with, not a real gun, or not a loaded one?..Yeah, some kind of protest. And if that _had_ been a real gun, William might be King right now!” Wikipedia tells me that it happened in Sydney, it was a starter pistol that fired blanks, and he got two shots off, neither of which hit Charles. And that he is now a barrister. Whatever. Anyway, glad that was an empty gesture. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/208 "2022-09-10T23:55:33Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > it was a starter pistol that fired blanks, and he got two shots off, neither of which hit Charles. Yes, it’s pretty hard to hit somebody with a starter pistol firing blanks. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/209 "2022-09-11T00:30:05Z")
I get what you’re saying, but technically, a blank is what killed Brandon Lee. Although it wasn’t fired from a starter pistol. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/210 "2022-09-11T01:01:58Z")
Actual factual question: I saw a bit of a proclamation ceremony or something where Charles stood before a room full of officials, the front row being former Prime Ministers, and they went through a series of formalities where he was asked to assent to various operational matters. The vast bulk of these were asking his agreement that local royal representatives in a long list of territories would continue using their old royal seals, presumably still featuring Elizabeth’s name, until new seals with Charles’s name get verified and distributed. But before that happened, the very first thing he was required to sign was an affirmation of the defense of the Church of Scotland. After he did this, a number of witnesses added their signatures, including Nicola Sturgeon. [Here is an article about this specific action.](https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/charles-iii-performs-oath-key-27957234) The article just describes what he did, and what the affirmation says, and mentions that it is important, but it doesn’t provide any other background. I’ve googled around, and have been unsuccessful in finding more information. What is the significance of this? Is there a reason the protection of the Church of Scotland needed to be (apparently) the first thing out of the gate? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/211 "2022-09-11T01:11:19Z")
It’s one of the key terms of the Act of Union of 1707: that England would not impose episcopacy on presbyterian Scotland. > Under the [Acts of Union 1707](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1707), monarchs are required upon succeeding to the throne to make an oath to “maintain and preserve” the [Church of Scotland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scotland). This oath is normally made at the Accession Council. The provision in Article XXV Section II of the Acts of Union 1707 states with respect to confirmed Acts of Scotland: > > And further Her Majesty with Advice aforesaid expressly declares and statutes that none of the Subjects of this Kingdom _[Scotland]_ shall be liable to but all and every one of them for ever free of any Oath Test or Subscription within this Kingdom contrary to or inconsistent with the foresaid true Protestant Religion and Presbyterian Church Government Worship and Discipline as above established and that the same within the Bounds of this Church and Kingdom shall never be imposed upon or required of them in any sort And lastly that after the decease of Her present Majesty (whom God long preserve) the Sovereign succeeding to Her in the Royal Government of the Kingdom of Great Britain shall in all time coming at His or Her Accession to the Crown swear and subscribe that they shall inviolably maintain and preserve the foresaid Settlement of the true Protestant Religion with the Government Worship Discipline right and Privileges of this Church as above established by the Laws of this Kingdom in Prosecution of the [Claim of Right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claim_of_Right)[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_Council#cite_note-5) “Her Majesty” here referred to is Her late Majesty, Queen Anne. It goes back beyond the Act of Union; His late Majesty, King Charles I’s attempt to impose the English Book of Common Prayer in Scotland is attributed to be one of the spark points for the civil wars: > > **Janet “Jenny” Geddes** (c. 1600 – c. 1660) was a [Scottish](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_people) market-trader in [Edinburgh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh) who is alleged to have thrown a stool at the head of the [minister](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_(Christianity)) in [St Giles’ Cathedral](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Giles%27_Cathedral) in objection to the first public use of the [Church of Scotland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scotland)’s 1637 edition of the _[Book of Common Prayer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Common_Prayer)_ in Scotland. The act is reputed to have sparked the riot that led to the [Wars of the Three Kingdoms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Three_Kingdoms), which included the [English Civil War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War). ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/212 "2022-09-11T01:20:11Z")
Even bureaucracy can full of ritual and ceremony. It was watching David, Theresa, & Boris pretend to be civil with eachother. Is Canada the only Commonwealth realm (well other than the UK) to have an ascension ceremony? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/213 "2022-09-11T01:31:33Z")
Thank you, that makes sense and is exactly what I was looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/214 "2022-09-11T01:33:58Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Even bureaucracy can full of ritual and ceremony. It was watching David, Theresa, & Boris pretend to be civil with eachother. Is Canada the only Commonwealth realm (well other than the UK) to have an ascension ceremony? I was amused that at such an important, historic occasion, Boris Johnson still refused to comb his hair. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/215 "2022-09-11T01:35:27Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Is Canada the only Commonwealth realm (well other than the UK) to have an ascension ceremony? No, others do too. See wikipedia: > **[Proclamation of accession of Charles III](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_accession_of_Charles_III)** > > Charles III became King of the United Kingdom and of 14 other Commonwealth realms upon the death of his mother, Elizabeth II, on 8 September 2022. Royal succession in the realms occurs immediately upon the death of the reigning monarch. The formal proclamation in Britain occurred on 10 September 2022, at 10:00 BST, the same day on which the Accession Council gathered at St James's Palace in London. The other realms, including most Canadian provinces and all Australian states, issued their o Th... ---
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Australia has just had its ceremony [noon, Sunday local time]. No speeches, just reading out official proclamation, 21 gun salute, national anthems, flags go up from from half mast to the top [and back down for mourning later], everything old is new again. Huzza! as another monarch would say. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/217 "2022-09-11T02:27:19Z")
The government of Saskatchewan had a proclamation ceremony today: > **[Accession ceremony held for King Charles III in Regina](https://www.ckom.com/2022/09/10/accession-ceremony-held-for-king-charles-iii-in-regina/)** > > King Charles III has officially taken over his mother's spot as monarch. The accession ceremony occurred Saturday at Government House in Regina, demon... ---
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> [@alphaboi867](#): > > At least his mother died knowing that the United Kingdom didn’t break up on her watch. Would that Charles could rest his head easy that his successor will one day say the same about his reign. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/219 "2022-09-11T03:21:12Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > While you are at it, learned King’s Counsel, maybe Canada should also abolish the dual language proclamations and have it done in Norman French, like the Conquerer intended. 😉 That’s mean. Funny as hell, but mean. This USAian thanks you for your rapier wit at this delicate moment in latter-day British Empire history. ---
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> [@gkster](#): > > He’s saying Goodbye Harry and Meghan, stay overseas, no new titles for you! > My kid’s impression: > He’s being non-committal and leaving the option open for them to come back if they want. Your kid is correct, I strongly suspect. He loves his son, he just wanted to mention him, too. It’s not like Harry and Meghan are national security risks, the way Edward VIII was. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232.md?page=12)