# The reign of King Charles III of the United Kingdom **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232 "2022-09-08T18:05:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/281 "2022-09-13T18:17:10Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Ironic considering how he was cuckolded himself. This use of “cuckolded” is rather distasteful. In any case, it is well-established that in the British upper classes, marriages were business alliances, and that the parties were often free to pursue whatever extracurricular activities they wanted discreetly, so long as they didn’t endanger any inheritances. It is my understanding that the Mountbattens had an agreement along those lines. That seems like pretty legitimate and respectful polyamory to me, not cuckoldry, a term which in both modern and ancient times had negative connotations. It also is used for a kink in modern times, and we have no information about such private information. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/282 "2022-09-13T18:18:19Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Disagree that this is the ONLY reason. The title “Queen mother” has a centuries-old tradition. It is used when there is no confusion over names. Elizabeth Boyes Lyon was the only one to be officially styled as the Queen Mother. Mostly to avoid confusion with her daughter but also since when she was widowed, there already was a Queen Dowager, George V consort. > [@hajario](#): > > Season 5 of The Crown is set to drop in November and will mainly cover the 90s so Blair, Major and the death of Diana. And will likely be badly made, trying to hard not to annoy characters whose real life counterparts are still alive. In season 1 and 2, nobody really gave a shyt anymore about Margaret and Townsend or Eden and the Suez or Philips attempts to find a role. The scars from the Major, Blair era and Diana are still fresh. > [@Acsenray](#): > > This use of “cuckolded” is rather distasteful. In any case, it is well-established that in the British upper classes, marriages were business alliances, and that the parties were often free to pursue whatever extracurricular activities they wanted discreetly, so long as they didn’t endanger any inheritances. It is my understanding that the Mountbattens had an agreement along those lines. That seems like pretty legitimate and respectful polyamory to me, not cuckoldry, a term which in both modern and ancient times had negative connotations. It also is used for a kink in modern times, and we have no information about such private information. Yeah, if it’s disrespectful to Mountbatten, I don’t give a shit. Considering the fuckers legacy over partition,for it’s about the most respectful thing I can call him ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/283 "2022-09-13T19:22:04Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > So while it’s right that there was a period of great difficulty in the marriage of Philip and his Missus, there is not much evidence that he actually strayed. A prominent marriage where both parties are faithful makes for boring TV. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/284 "2022-09-13T19:41:37Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > trying to hard not to annoy characters whose real life counterparts are still alive. They definitely didn’t try that with the previous season, as the royal family got really peeved how Charles and Philip were portrayed and wanted a disclaimer placed before episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/285 "2022-09-13T19:43:39Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Yeah, if it’s disrespectful to Mountbatten, I don’t give a shit. It’s disrespectful to everyone. Same as any slur. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/286 "2022-09-13T20:07:10Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Season 5 of The Crown is set to drop in November and will mainly cover the 90s so Blair, Major and the death of Diana. Isn’t that supposed to be the last season? Will it end with a title card describing the queen’s life after Diana’s death. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/287 "2022-09-13T20:17:06Z")
Season 6 will be the last season and it’s currently in production. They apparently paused production out of respect. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/288 "2022-09-13T20:23:51Z")
Probably also so they can furiously rewrite the ending. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/289 "2022-09-13T20:24:24Z")
Dude! Spoiler that shit ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/290 "2022-09-13T20:56:28Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > > [@AK84](#): > > > > Yeah, if it’s disrespectful to Mountbatten, I don’t give a shit. > > It’s disrespectful to everyone. Same as any slur. Yes. It’s disrespectful to anyone else who might be in an open relationship (which includes a lot of my friends, who are fine people of little political importance) to describe Mountbatten’s situation as “cuckolding”. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/291 "2022-09-14T00:31:46Z")
Another arcane question about titles: Princess Anne is known as the Princess Royal, which I understood to be a title typically given to the oldest daughter of the monarch. Now that her brother is the monarch, is she still the Princess Royal? If Charles had a daughter, could the daughter also be Princess Royal and if she was, would Anne share the title or would she revert to just Princess Anne? ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/292 "2022-09-14T01:09:46Z")
I don’t remember where I read it (I’ve done a lot of royal-related reading lately). But my information says that “Princess Royal” is reserved for the monarch’s oldest daughter. And it’s a life-long title, so nobody else can have it as long as Anne is alive. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/293 "2022-09-14T01:15:29Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > which I understood to be a title typically given to the oldest daughter of the monarch. Now that her brother is the monarch, is she still the Princess Royal? If Charles had a daughter, could the daughter also be Princess Royal and if she was, would Anne share the title or would she revert to just Princess Anne? It is a title granted at the discretion of the monarch. Once granted, the grantee holds it for life. It cannot be re-granted until the current holder’s death. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/294 "2022-09-14T02:30:50Z")
It would probably be given to Charlotte some day. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/295 "2022-09-14T02:39:36Z")
For example, The Queen herself was the eldest daughter of the monarch throughout her father’s reign, but [her aunt Mary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_Princess_Royal_and_Countess_of_Harewood) was already the Princess Royal, so Elizabeth never had that title. Mary herself had been her father’s eldest (and only) daughter from his accession in 1910, but [George V’s sister Louise](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise,_Princess_Royal) was Princess Royal until her death in 1931; Mary was granted the title the following year. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/296 "2022-09-14T03:09:52Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > I don’t ever recall hearing that Philip was unfaithful to Elizabeth. As I recall, the French tabloids were notorious in the 50s and 60s for lurid gossip along those lines, particularly where a certain nightclub singer was involved, though of course the gossip never solidified… Likewise, at the height of the hysteria over the Profumo Affair, one paper (I think the Mirror) did a full front page under the headline “Prince Philip: Rumours Denied”. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/297 "2022-09-14T13:10:43Z")
what is interesting is that due to the succession change charlotte could become york. usually first is wales, second is york, and first daughter is royal. with daughter falling behind all male siblings. york and royal are life long. with the change in succession charlotte is after george making her second, which is york. depending on how things shake out it may fall to william on what titles charlotte and louis have. interestingly after the second creation, yorks have not had male children to pass the title, so it never moved on, just reverted to the crown. the title is in its 8th creation. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/298 "2022-09-14T14:25:17Z")
I wonder if there will be further reforms that allow daughters to inherit such peerages. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/299 "2022-09-14T15:09:13Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > york and royal are life long. York is a standard peerage title; by its grant, it will descend to the “heirs male” of Andrew, if he has any (he doesn’t as of now). That means it will likely become extinct on his death and be available for regrant to somebody else. However, it is merely an accident of history that no recent Duke of York has had male heirs AND not ascended to the throne. There’s no rule that says the second child has to be York, and given Andrew’s poor reputation, I’d guess they’ll leave this one on the shelf for awhile and give Charlotte/Louis different titles. (Anyway, it’s entirely possible that Andrew will still be alive at the point when Louis would ordinarily be granted a dukedom, on his marriage, so it would not be available anyway. Both of Andrew’s parents lived 30+ years longer than his current age (62), while Louis is 4. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/300 "2022-09-14T15:18:05Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I wonder if there will be further reforms that allow daughters to inherit such peerages. There have been such exceptions made in the past. Most famously, Edward VII’s created the title of Duke of Fife for the husband of his eldest daughter [Louise](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise,_Princess_Royal); when it became obvious that the Fifes were not going to have a son, the title was recreated to go to their elder daughter Alexandra and her issue, and failing that, to the younger daughter Maud and her descendants. (Alexandra was Duchess of Fife from 1912 to her death in 1959; her only son predeceased her, so the title is now held by Maud’s grandson.) For another example, the remainder to the [Dukedom of Marlborough](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Marlborough_(title)#Line_of_succession) is _very_ complicated; males have preference, but if the male lines become extinct then females are included. For that matter, some very old titles, especially Scottish ones, already provide for female succession: [Margaret, 31st Countess of Mar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_of_Mar,_31st_Countess_of_Mar), had a long career in the House of Lords, retiring only in 2020. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232.md?page=16)