# The reign of King Charles III of the United Kingdom

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**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [September 8, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232 "2022-09-08T18:05:14Z")\
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**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/824 "2023-04-13T02:55:00Z")

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> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> Jazz bagpipes. Who knew?

Meet the original jazz bagpiper, [Rufus Harley](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_Harley).

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Bq1kVLHxCQA/hqdefault.jpg "Rufus Harley Jazz bagpipe Chim Chimney Chim Chim Cheree Mary Poppins") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq1kVLHxCQA)

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**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/825 "2023-04-13T03:18:51Z")

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Why life and not hereditary?

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/826 "2023-04-13T04:44:45Z")

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Because Edward and his kids are getting increasingly far away from the succession, and Edinburgh has one of the titles that traditionally stays in the close Royal Family.

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/827 "2023-04-13T04:47:44Z")

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> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> Jazz bagpipes. Who knew?

Nope, not jazz. The variations are all set out in the pibroch.

More like the Goldberg Variations.

> **[Goldberg Variations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldberg_Variations)**
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> The Goldberg Variations, BWV 988, is a musical composition for keyboard by Johann Sebastian Bach, consisting of an aria and a set of 30 variations. First published in 1741, it is named after Johann Gottlieb Goldberg, who may also have been the first performer of the work.
> The story of how the variations came to be composed comes from an early biography of Bach by Johann Nikolaus Forkel:
> \[For this work\] we have to thank the instigation of the former Russian ambassador to the electoral court of S...

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**Author:** ![UDS1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e47774/32.png) [@UDS1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS1)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/828 "2023-04-13T05:48:21Z")

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> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> Why life and not hereditary?

Two thoughts:

First, Charles’ notion of a “slimmed-down royal family” may lead him to want to limit the number of royal dukes. Edward is the brother of the king, but his son will be successively nephew of the king, first cousin of the king, first cousin once removed of the king. Charles may think that’s a bit too remote from the throne to warrant a dukedom.

Secondly, Edward choice has consistently been to give his children a certain distance from the fullness of royal panoply. His son could be styled HRH the Prince James of Edinburgh but he never has been; he uses the style of the son of a duke, and the courtesy title Lord Wessex. Similarly his daughter is Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor, rather than HRH the Princess Louise of Edinburgh. Making the dukedom non-heritable is consistent with this approach.

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**Author:** ![cincinnatus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cincinnatus/32/7990_2.png) [@cincinnatus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cincinnatus)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/829 "2023-04-13T11:32:05Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > [@Miller](#):
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> > Hard to find enough hunchbacks these days.
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> I can’t say I know the guy, but his face sure rings a bell.

He’s a dead ringer for his brother.

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**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/830 "2023-04-13T12:53:01Z")

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Harry accepted his invitation, Meghan is staying at home with the kids.

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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/831 "2023-04-13T12:59:55Z")

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I hope I hear precious little of Harry on coronation day. It isn’t about him, but somehow the press will make it so.

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**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/832 "2023-04-13T15:17:01Z")

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
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> It isn’t about him, but somehow the press will make it so

Almost … the press will make it look like he’s trying to make it all about him.

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/833 "2023-04-13T18:18:54Z")

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> [@pjd](#):
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> Almost … the press will make it look like he’s trying to make it all about him

Right. Outrage if he doesn’t show. Outrage if he shows up.

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**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/834 "2023-04-14T02:44:27Z")

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> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#):
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> I don’t know - maybe aspiring bellringers are put off by the conditions - here’s an example from one church:  
> _But if you ring in spur or hat,_  
> _A pint of ale you’ll pay for that_  
> _And if a bell you overthrow,_  
> _Sixpence is due before you go_

Here’s the actual text, from a church in Hornsey, Middlesex:

_If that to ring you do come here_  
_You must ring well with hand and ear_  
_If that you ring in spur or hat_  
_A quart of Ale must pay for that_  
_Andf if a bell you overthrow_  
_Sixpence is due before you go_  
_And if you curse or swear, I say_  
_A shilling’s due without delay_  
_And if you quarrill in this place_  
_You shall not ring in any case_

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/835 "2023-04-18T16:20:43Z")

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Some interesting stuff here, I thought:

> **[Cost of the crown: what we know so far about British royals’ wealth and finances](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/07/british-royal-family-wealth-finances-cost-of-the-crown-summary?CMP=share_btn_link)**
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> Read a summary of our findings about the personal enrichment of the royal family and origins of some of their wealth

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/836 "2023-04-19T16:44:09Z")

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> [@Lord\_Feldon](#):
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> If it had been scheduled on another day in early May, the gossip rags would be proclaiming that it was a snub to Archie that it _wasn’t_ on his birthday.

> **[King Charles III cancels plan to honor Prince Archie on his birthday after...](https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2023/04/18/643ec9a822601dd4578b45b1.html)**
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> To those who aren't aware, Prince Archie's birthday is on May 6. This is the same date in which King Charles III will be crowned as the king of the United Kingdom. According to Exp

Princess Betty and Veronica are not amused… 🦆 & 🏃🏽‍♂️

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**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/837 "2023-04-19T17:16:35Z")

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Speculative twaddle.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/838 "2023-05-02T21:34:26Z")

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TIL about the King’s pups:

> **[Meet Beth and Bluebell: The new dogs of Buckingham Palace](https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/pets/a41240069/beth-bluebell-king-charles-camilla-dogs/)**
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> The Queen Consort adopted the Jack Russell Terriers in 2017

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**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/839 "2023-05-04T17:12:35Z")

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Private Eye’s take on the great day :-

[![](https://shop.private-eye.co.uk/out/pictures/generated/product/1/300_450_80/1597(3).png) ](https://shop.private-eye.co.uk/out/pictures/generated/product/1/300_450_80/1597(3).png)

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**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/840 "2023-05-04T18:13:37Z")

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["Having a monarchy next door is a little like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories. More specifically, for the Irish, it’s like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and, also, your grandfather was murdered by a clown”](https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fculture%2Ftv-radio-web%2Fharry-and-meghan-the-union-of-two-great-houses-the-windsors-and-the-celebrities-is-complete-1.4504502%3A-7uYOtVBgx3N_e7Zv3JvBSZI2IY&cuid=1461806)- Irish Times

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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/841 "2023-05-04T18:32:38Z")

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Now that’s just mean. Accurate, but mean.

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**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/842 "2023-05-04T19:17:23Z")

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> [@pjd](#):
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> Private Eye’s take on the great day :-
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> [https://shop.private-eye.co.uk/out/pictures/generated/product/1/300\_450\_80/1597(3).png](https://shop.private-eye.co.uk/out/pictures/generated/product/1/300_450_80/1597(3).png)

I still have the “Woman Has Baby” issue somewhere.

[![](https://media-assets-05.thedrum.com/cache/images/thedrum-prod/public-drum_basic_article-114516-main_images-PrivateEyeWomanHasBaby--default--385.jpg) ](https://media-assets-05.thedrum.com/cache/images/thedrum-prod/public-drum_basic_article-114516-main_images-PrivateEyeWomanHasBaby--default--385.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/843 "2023-05-05T15:34:15Z")

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Ha! And see:

> **[As a King Is Crowned, Some Britons Ask Why the Monarchy Persists](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/05/world/europe/uk-king-charles-coronation-identity.html?smid=em-share)**
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> As long as there has been a monarchy, there have been questions about its legitimacy. But for many people, it would be difficult to disentangle the royal family from British identity.

> **[Jill Biden arrives in London for the pomp and pageantry of King Charles III's...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/first-lady-jill-biden-coronation-london/index.html)**
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> First lady Dr. Jill Biden has arrived in London, where she is set to bear witness to the full pomp and pageantry of the coronation of King Charles III and Queen Consort Camilla, leading the US delegation to this weekend's highly anticipated events.

> **[King's coronation draws apathy, criticism in former colonies](https://www.aol.com/news/kings-coronation-draws-apathy-criticism-130905998.html)**
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> When King Charles III is crowned on Saturday, soldiers carrying flags from the Bahamas, South Africa, Tuvalu and beyond will march alongside British troops in a spectacular military procession in honor of the monarch. For some, the scene will affirm...

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