# The reign of King Charles III of the United Kingdom **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232 "2022-09-08T18:05:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/101 "2022-09-09T14:08:50Z")
> [@Sooner](#): > > He seems to be a reasonably well informed, pleasant individual. One would have to substantially [torture the meaning of those words](http://opindia.com/2022/09/controversies-king-charles-iii-life-diana-camilla-charity-cash-elizabeth/) to come to such a conclusion. > **[Revealed: how Prince Charles pressured ministers to change law to benefit his...](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/28/prince-charles-pressured-ministers-change-law-queen-consent)** > > Newly discovered documents show government yielded to heir’s demands amid fears of a constitutional crisis Ascension to the throne will likely put a further spotlight on Charles’ business dealings and influence on legislation. [Another King Charles](http://petsinhouse.com/images/cavalier-king-charles-spaniel-2.jpg) would’ve been far more preferable. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/102 "2022-09-09T14:12:02Z")
> [@eburacum45](#): > > > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > > > what are they going to call his reign? the other monarchs easily became victorian, edwardian, georgian, elizabethan. charlean? charlen? charlesien? > > The Georgian era was between 1714 and 1830, when the Hanoverian Georges reigned. The later Georges (V and VII) never really defined an era of their own, and I doubt Charles will get his own Neo-Carolingian era either. But who knows. Years from now, will people be referring to the second Elizabethan era? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/103 "2022-09-09T14:12:21Z")
And the “New Elizabethan Age” idea didn’t last much beyond Suez. I suppose they could call it Caroline. Or maybe not. BTW, I don’t think that C&C _had_ to stop the car outside the Palace and talk to the people outside. I doubt if anyone would have held it against them if they hadn’t, and rather think that was deliberate “Start as you mean to go on” PR. Quite delicately done. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/104 "2022-09-09T14:24:31Z")
I was reading a [New York Times article](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/world/europe/london-bridge-what-happens-next-queen.html?unlocked_article_code=gtdX6prK5Su3ArrloYvlVhqKy2io37pT6PTNfhSTcdXXoPxeVEL4jsEmCPcH9loHB7VwY2FfiZs-tqRFo123xmPSGTDZMx0HoWC-VcieltpNrcJTVWTNk-e1Tsw7QkgzGsKkK9ThHRqthIzMy3IRNKp--1Hw09q_Rx3OGxgXzmd3AKsnEpoDxdJpxTDXnZZBWYipzRjoTjFzL8WPw9vi3U4gJhPi6SzoyJGAaP2-m7g-DTS7VwCoi0jV9RqOQBy41uY_mWzXZ9QQBTeZG_cvbzqNwM6UKDupzP6LXJXyrbR9LRStWSfdPHwzjroaK-5b_OhPurQ0Mo4J_oYcMQelW96_vgoaxpOt0mLEsAFjbmjX9w&smid=share-url) (gift link) about the whole process, and it’s really convoluted and traditional. Like this bit > At 11 a.m. on the day after the queen’s death, a proclamation will be read that officially declares the reign of the new king, which is then passed across the country, first by heralds who will arrive on horseback wearing official uniforms that have roots in the clothing from the Middle Ages to read the news in Trafalgar Square and then the Royal Exchange in London. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/105 "2022-09-09T14:33:51Z")
Will there be a coronation as grand as that of his mother? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/106 "2022-09-09T14:50:49Z")
I don’t think it _can_ be completely as grand. The huge procession from Westminster Abbey back to Buckingham Palace would require some massive percentage (over 50%, I think) of the modern armed forces. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/107 "2022-09-09T14:53:05Z")
A lot of those were from the Commonwealth historically. Ask several Commonwealth nations to send a company or a battalion for the parade and you are golden. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/108 "2022-09-09T15:08:38Z")
2022 and a lot of people still support hereditary monarchies. Long live the inbreds! Mind-boggling and gross. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/109 "2022-09-09T15:09:20Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > and it’s really convoluted and traditional These are the times for which tradition was intended. As others have said, there’s a thousand years of history behind all this, we’re just watching it. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/110 "2022-09-09T15:14:40Z")
knowing the plan and having the reality of the plan is a bit different. he does have a lot of distractions to keep the loss at bay, thankfully his mother lived a long and incredible life, there is comfort in the memories of that. having to go into your mother’s office and pick up her papers, which are now your papers, sit in her chair, etc., having everyone you meet give you condolences, knowing every move you make is going out world wide…that is daunting. you have the logistics planned, you don’t have the emotional planned. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/111 "2022-09-09T15:23:27Z")
But I think he does have the emotional planned. He’s been able to visualise going into the office and picking up her papers, sitting in her chair. He’s planned his walkabout with the public. He’s had plenty of time to think about the emotions as well as the logistics. Of course he’s upset and grieving right now. But he’s not being blindsided by finding himself in the office while grieving, because he’s exactly where he expected to be. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/112 "2022-09-09T15:31:25Z")
If I can make an analogy… My dad was getting older and his health was bad. I knew that the day was coming sooner rather than later and it was no surprise when it happened. The next Passover, I sat in his chair and led the service. I knew it would happen but actually doing it was surreal and hit me in an unexpected way. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/113 "2022-09-09T15:36:46Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > George I was divorced. George IV was married-but-not-married - he and Maria Fitzherbert had the ceremony but since Dad didn’t consent (and because she was Catholic) it didn’t officially count. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/114 "2022-09-09T15:56:46Z")
Yes, and I think some of that’s going on, but not the “daunted by the crowds” bit or even being “on edge” in the sense of being close to losing it if people offer too much sympathy. Charles grew up and lived **half a century as an adult** at the centre of an institution designed to do one thing and one thing only, which is to put him smoothly in his mother’s place as soon as she dies. He even had the opportunity to directly talk with the Queen about what it is like to take over from your parent! Everything that is happening now has been mapped out and rehearsed at length. The amount of preparation he’s had for this moment is enormous and doesn’t in any way match the experiences normal people like you and I might have had. Of course he is upset in ways he didn’t expect but he is not “on the edge”. Is hereditary monarchy a fundamentally weird institution that creates some very strange influences on normal family relationships? Does it create a sui generis emotional landscape? Yes, it really is and really does. What it is like for Charles is not what it is like for us. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/115 "2022-09-09T16:33:49Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > The partisanship and devisiveness the U. S. has devolved into over the past few decades sometimes leaves me wishing we could have a nice, pleasant, symbolic king or queen here. Ugh, no. Hereditary monarchy is an abomination, symbolic or not. The UK version under Elizabeth was, cost aside, a very minor, substantially harmless abomination as abominations go. But it is at this point an immensely wealthy and privileged hereditary caste of ribbon-cutters and hand-wavers. Any nationalistic pride and unity derived from its existence (and I’m really not a huge fan of flag-waving nationalism in the first place), is more than cancelled out by the philosophical ugliness it represents. And then there is the parasitic cost. It’s not backbreaking, but it is a waste. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/116 "2022-09-09T16:38:26Z")
The queen leaves behind at least four dogs - two corgis, a dachshund-corgi mix and a (blurgh) cocker spaniel. They should lead the funeral cortege. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/117 "2022-09-09T16:41:42Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > I feel that Brits who want to abolish the monarchy don’t fully understand the value they get from the personification of the whole nation, nay Commonwealth, in one non-partisan individual, especially in the exemplary fashion in which the Windsors have handled the job for the last century-plus. > … > But Britons who would like to get rid of the monarchy should seriously consider what they would be giving up, and the stability it gives a country. The partisanship and devisiveness the U. S. has devolved into over the past few decades sometimes leaves me wishing we could have a nice, pleasant, symbolic king or queen here. Hear, Hear! Imagine how things might be different in the USA today if we had a beloved figure who represents the continuity of the government and _of the country itself_ **who is outside and above any political party** and yet to whom each political party owes and pledges its allegiance. Of course, it would be impossible here… ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/118 "2022-09-09T16:44:39Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > And then there is the parasitic cost. It’s not backbreaking, but it is a waste. As I understand it, the **Monarchy’s** properties’ income goes into general revenue and the cost of keeping up those properties (and the official functions of the Royals) is pulled from that and leaves a surplus to be spent on other things. HRM’s _personal_ properties are hers just like any other private citizen - and they are substantial. But if the UK abolished the monarchy, they wouldn’t get to seize those. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/119 "2022-09-09T16:45:59Z")
Plus I thought it was shown that the profits from royal-related tourism was far more than the cost of maintaining the royals. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/120 "2022-09-09T16:46:01Z")
Well, the Queen needed to live very long for that to happen. In the fifties and early sixties that was certainly **not** the case. Her father and grandfather had World Wars to deal with soon after they ascended, which tended to make them beloved figures, forever linked with triumph. Her claim to the peoples love was far more tenuous and she knew it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232.md?page=7)