# The reign of King Charles III of the United Kingdom **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232 "2022-09-08T18:05:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 95
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1884 "2025-10-19T17:11:20Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > That was going to happen with Edward this time as well, since he does not have a son, lawfully begotten. The oddity about Edward is that, although he does have a son, that son will not inherit his dukedom. Edward was given the dukedom of Edinburgh only for life. One could imagine that becoming the new norm. The cadet branches of the Windsor, such as the Gloucesters and the Kents, aren’t exactly on Skid Row and are well set-up for the foreseeable future. But a generation or two from now, they may look not quite in the same league as most of the non-royal dukes. Life dukedoms for the children of the monarch would neatly avoid creating new ducal dynasties every generation. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1885 "2025-10-19T18:00:02Z")
Swedish princes and princesses only receive lifetime dukedoms. This has been the rule for princes since the 18th century and since the 1980s for princesses. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1886 "2025-10-19T20:48:30Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > They really should branch out into some of the Scottish kings’ names. About time we had a King Malcolm or King Alexander. Hamish. I’d love to see a King Hamish, first of his name. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1887 "2025-10-19T21:54:16Z")
Hamish = James, and there was definitely a king named that (especially if you click on Scottish Wikipedia: [Seumas VI na h-Alba is Seumas I Shasainn - Uicipeid](https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seumas_VI_na_h-Alba_is_Seumas_I_Shasainn)) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1888 "2025-10-20T03:49:11Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > …Mildly interesting aside: Koo Stark, who was involved in a relationship with Andrew, is most famous (on the screen, at least) for portraying an under-age girl being courted by three middle age men. I recently learned that she also has a _Star Wars_ connection: [Koo Stark and Anthony Forrest Suing Lucasfilm for $190 Million - Jedi News](https://www.jedinews.com/film-music-tv/articles/koo-stark-and-anthony-forrest-suing-lucasfilm-for-190-million/) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1889 "2025-10-20T04:23:08Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I recently learned that she also has a _Star Wars_ connection: I was in high school when Stark was briefly dating Prince Andrew; those of us who were _Star Wars_ fans learned that she had played Camie, one of Luke’s friends on Tatooine, whose scenes were cut from the final version of the film (but the character did appear in the novelization). This is a clip of the deleted scene; she appears at the end, has a couple of lines, and is the person who swipes Luke’s macrobinoculars at the end of the scene. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ahOtcfbUEhw/maxresdefault.jpg "Star Wars A New Hope deleted scene featuring Koo Stark with added music") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahOtcfbUEhw) ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1890 "2025-10-20T15:53:15Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Remember also that arguably the most famous Duke of York was the Alpha Jacobite, the man who later became King James II, one of the UK’s most embarrassing kings. It’s not an auspicious title. That’s because we only remember the bad ones (_cough_ Henry VIII). George VI - the Queen’s Dad – was Duke of York, and he did an admirable job as King. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1891 "2025-10-20T16:10:17Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Swedish princes and princesses only receive lifetime dukedoms. This has been the rule for princes since the 18th century and since the 1980s for princesses. I’m still a little confused. Why do princes and princesses need to have dukedoms? They’re already princes/princesses … what’s the point of the additional titlage??? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1892 "2025-10-20T16:33:18Z")
Income? (I really don’t know…) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1893 "2025-10-20T18:03:52Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > This is a clip of the deleted scene; My recollection of the details of the movie as released is poor, but that scene sure seems to drag and be pointless compared to most of the rest of the movie. I can see why it got cut. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1894 "2025-10-20T19:35:58Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > I’m still a little confused. Why do princes and princesses need to have dukedoms? They’re already princes/princesses … what’s the point of the additional titlage? Another atavism from times past when holding some actual feudal lordship under your monarch parent/grandparent was the way you’d support yourself/justify your continued existence, that has now just become something ceremonial you traditionally do. Remember in Ye Olde Tyme you did not just get a check from the Civil List. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1895 "2025-10-20T19:45:33Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > That’s because we only remember the bad ones (_cough_ Henry VIII). Richard “The Lion heart”, Edward 8, Henry 7, etc etc ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1896 "2025-10-20T21:11:27Z")
None of them were ever Duke of York. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1897 "2025-10-20T21:46:38Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > I’m still a little confused. Why do princes and princesses need to have dukedoms? They’re already princes/princesses … what’s the point of the additional titlage??? One theory, at least for the princes: it gives their wives something to be called other than Princess followed by their husband’s name. “Princess Diana” is what “the common people” called her; her official title was Diana, Princess of Wales. I seem to recall that Queen Elizabeth II made it quite clear that, when Prince Andrew got married, his wife was not to be called Princess Sarah. ---
**Author:** ![UDS1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e47774/32.png) [@UDS1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2025, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1898 "2025-10-21T00:48:35Z")
Also, it helps to tell them apart. If they weren’t the Dukes of Kent, Gloucester, etc then there’d often be a slew of Prince Georges, Henrys, Edwards, etc in the extended royal family. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2025, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1899 "2025-10-22T11:35:10Z")
It’s about having a title in their own right. Prince Andrew is only Prince by virtue of being the son of a Monarch. He can’t pass his title down, his (ex)wife has no title at all (now). Whereas Prince Harry, as Duke of Sussex, will be able to pass his Dukedom down, maintaining his family status. Megan would just be Meghan without the Dukedom. His grandson, should he have one, won’t be a royal Prince – you have to be the grandchild of a Monarch for that – but he will be His Grace, the Duke of Sussex, when he inherits. Aside from Prince of Wales (an unique position in the UK), Prince/Princess doesn’t carry a lot of weight. Duke does, as that’s the highest rank below King/Queen and Prince of Wales ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2025, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1900 "2025-10-22T12:41:36Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > His grandson, should he have one, won’t be a royal Prince – you have to be the grandchild of a Monarch for that – but he will be His Grace, the Duke of Sussex, when he inherits. Granddaughter if she is the eldest, right? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2025, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1901 "2025-10-22T12:45:16Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Granddaughter if she is the eldest, right? [No](https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3071743), “heirs male of his body lawfully begotten.” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2025, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232/1902 "2025-10-22T12:47:40Z")
Didn’t they recently change that or was it only for the monarch? What if there isn’t a male heir but there is a daughter? Side note: I wonder how they’d deal with a trans royal. ---
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> [@hajario](#): > > Granddaughter if she is the eldest, right? If only it were so! > [@hajario](#): > > Didn’t they recently change that or was it only for the monarch? What if there isn’t a male heir but there is a daughter? It was just for the line of succession for the throne. > [@hajario](#): > > Side note: I wonder how they’d deal with a trans royal. It’s a good question, and one they’ll surely have to face at some point. And how about non-binary? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232.md?page=94) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-reign-of-king-charles-iii-of-the-united-kingdom/971232.md?page=96)