# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/581 "2017-04-21T19:02:32Z")
for historical reference - \*It will be up to the voters to decide if they believe that the Democrats created, and passed, ACA/Obamacare all by themselves. It will be up to the voters to decide if the Democrat Party should be held responsible for its creation. I wonder if the voters will chose to believe the Democrats who claim that ACA/Obamacare is not their responsibility/fault?\* > [@mhendo](#): > > What do you mean that it WILL be up to the voters? (post shortened) Hahahaha. “Will be” as in future elections. This isn’t rocket surgery. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/582 "2017-04-21T19:09:03Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > _It will be up to the voters to decide if the Democrat Party should be held responsible for its (ACA/Obamacare) creation._ > > AFAIK, the outcome of future elections will still be up to the voters. Unless you know something you’d like to share with the rest of the class? > > _I wonder if the voters will chose to believe the Democrats who claim that ACA/Obamacare is not their responsibility/fault?_ > > Perhaps you could explain how to cite a future event. I suppose I could ask the same pundits, polls, and politicians who predicted Hillary’s win. > > _I’m surprised that more Democrats aren’t championing their party’s ACA/Obamacare creation?_ > > **Why are the Democrats trying to hold the Republicans responsible for the pride and joy of the Obama administration?** Claiming that the Republicans are responsible for ACA/Obamacare sounds like the Democrats are trying to distance themselves from ACA/Obamacare. > > _What are they ashamed of?_ > > What would be the proper cite for a question? Hmmmm? > > The Republicans know they haven’t yet repealed and replaced. It’s been on all the media outlets. Elected Republicans appear to be representing their constituents, and not the will of the party. Good government is based on the ability of elected representatives to reach a workable compromise. On the issue of ACA/Obamacare, the elected Republicans haven’t reached a workable compromise, yet. Blaming them for the _ **failure** _ to repeal and replace as promised. They came up with a plan (sort of) and then were afraid to vote on it. You still haven’t cited any of what you’re claiming the Democrats have said. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/583 "2017-04-21T19:46:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. “Will be” as in future elections. This isn’t rocket surgery. I admit that if the majority of GOP voters are as dumb and/or dishonest as you, it is entirely possible that they will still be blaming the Democrats for America’s healthcare problems in 2018 and 2020 and 2022 and 2024. But when your party controls the White House, both houses of Congress, 32 state legislatures, 33 state governorships, and when your party’s ideology holds sway in the Supreme Court, then rational people, at the very least, will start to wonder why it is that you believe the other guys are always to blame when things don’t get fixed. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/584 "2017-04-21T20:33:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Glad you admit it. > > You seem confused as to who’s running away. There are plenty of dems who will admit there are flaws that need fixing. > > The GOP has taken over, with majorities in both houses of Congress, with the stated goal of repealing and replacing the ACA. > Failed on both counts. > > The GOP has had seven years to put together a carefully crafted, superior plan. > Failed. > > It’s the GOP’s game. No one is standing in the way of repeal and replace. > Explain why the ACA is still in place with no replacement in sight. Because the lying bastards haven’t figured out a way to blame someone (anyone) else??? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/585 "2017-04-21T20:35:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The ACA is far more popular right now than President Trump, according to the polls. Even a pile of fresh steaming dog shit with worms in it would be more popular than Popular Vote Loser Trump is right now. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/586 "2017-04-22T02:50:23Z")
Never thought I’d live to see it, but both Charles Krauthammer and George Will seem to be talking about the inevitability of single payer Medicare for all now. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/587 "2017-04-22T04:10:03Z")
I think the Republicans are being smart. If they had repealed Obamacare, they would have left voters with their memories of what Obamacare had been like. And the voters would have compared that to Trumpcare or Ryancare or whatever the Republicans threw together. And the comparison between Obamacare and Trumpcare wouldn’t have helped Republicans in upcoming elections. But then the Republicans had a clever idea: wreck the program but keep the original name on it. Turn Obamacare into the disaster they’ve been predicting it would be. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/588 "2017-04-22T12:08:32Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Never thought I’d live to see it, but both Charles Krauthammer and George Will seem to be talking about the inevitability of single payer Medicare for all now. Thus supporting the idea that the ACA really was massive monumental change in the politics health care, even if it didn’t quite seem like it at the time. If we get single payer in the next 10-20 years, I predict the ACA will be seen like the beginning of social security, and Obama will be remembered (to some degree, at least) like FDR. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/589 "2017-04-22T14:05:37Z")
And 50 years from now, there will still be conservative talking, big money wall street people who want to bury FDR’s legacy by repealing social security and medicare. Just like they’re doing today. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/590 "2017-04-22T17:56:03Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > And 50 years from now, there will still be conservative talking, big money wall street people who want to bury FDR’s legacy by repealing social security and medicare. > > Just like they’re doing today. Likely true. Hopefully, they will be regarded as avaricious cranks. Like they (mostly) are today. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/591 "2017-04-23T15:33:16Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I admit that if the majority of GOP voters are as dumb and/or dishonest as you, it is entirely possible that they will still be blaming the Democrats for America’s healthcare problems in 2018 and 2020 and 2022 and 2024. > > But when your party controls the White House, both houses of Congress, 32 state legislatures, 33 state governorships, and when your party’s ideology holds sway in the Supreme Court, then rational people, at the very least, will start to wonder why it is that you believe the other guys are always to blame when things don’t get fixed. Sadly, you answer in the first paragraph the very question you posed in the second. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/592 "2017-04-23T18:02:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Or someone who believed Pelosi’s statement about passing it so we can see what’s in it. 😃 Ahem. Pelosi said, in a speech to the National Association of Counties, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” She was saying the controversy over the bill is distracting people from its many great elements and effects (she listed quite a few of them in the speech). She was not saying “we’re keeping what’s in it a secret.” That would be a dumb thing to say, since the debate over the ACA was long and very public. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/593 "2017-04-23T19:18:01Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Or someone who believed Pelosi’s statement about passing it so we can see what’s in it. 😃 Interestingly enough, once you actually take her statement in context\*, it turns out [Pelosi was entirely vindicated](http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/18/14957708/pelosi-pass-the-bill). People _hated_ the bill, until they found out what was in it. Well, okay, that’s not quite fair. It took them being actually faced with the consequences of losing it for them to realize that they liked it, but I guess you can’t rely on the intelligence of the American electorate\*\*. \*This is something I guarantee our local lobotomy victim **doorhinge** will never do, because he’s physically incapable of being rational or reasonable or honest and I pray he never finds a member of the opposite sex stupid enough to _breed_ with him. \*\*Because if the American electorate were two people, and one of those people were doorhinge, the average IQ would be half of the other person’s. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/594 "2017-04-24T15:01:47Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Blaming them for the _ **failure** _ to repeal and replace as promised. > They came up with a plan (sort of) and then were afraid to vote on it. (post shortened) Repeal and replace? Repeal and replace the ACA/Obamacare that the Democrats _ **created** _? Why would anyone want to repeal and replace such a grand plan unless they believed that the plan the Democrats created, and passed, sucked? Hopefully, it must never occur to the voters that they should hold the Democrat Party responsible for the creation of ACA/Obamacare, or it’s rising costs, or it’s increasing deductibles, or the loss of their doctor, or the loss of their existing health plan, or anything else associated with the Democrat’s ACA/Obamacare. That might make the voters angry. And angry voters vote. Good government is based on electing representatives who are able to find a way to reach a compromise that is best for the country. On a federal level, the U.S.A. doesn’t have elected representatives who can compromise, let alone find a way to compromise. It looks like it’s up to the voters to elect a whole new batch of elected representatives to represent them. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/595 "2017-04-24T15:06:35Z")
You might want to check your meds calendar box - I think you forgot this morning’s dosages. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/596 "2017-04-24T15:55:14Z")
May I just interpose that anyone who goes so far out of his way to repeat the phrase “Democrat Party” is in no way worthy of having ANY of the shit he writes read by normal people. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/597 "2017-04-24T16:07:45Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > May I just interpose that anyone who goes so far out of his way to repeat the phrase “Democrat Party” is in no way worthy of having ANY of the shit he writes read by normal people. Then there’s this (my bold): > [@doorhinge](#): > > … > Hopefully, it must never occur to the voters that they should hold the Democrat Party responsible for the creation of ACA/Obamacare, or **it’s** rising costs, or **it’s** increasing deductibles, … However, if you use _I-T-apostrophe-S_ all the time, it will be correct every now and then, as it is here (my bold): > [@](#): > > Good government is based on electing representatives who are able to find a way to reach a compromise that is best for the country. On a federal level, the U.S.A. doesn’t have elected representatives who can compromise, let alone find a way to compromise. It looks like **it’s** up to the voters to elect a whole new batch of elected representatives to represent them. Or not. Never thought I’d say this, but I agree with \*\*doorhinge \*\*(braces self for lightning bolt from the sky) in the second paragraph. Compromise has gone out the window, and that is why Congress is broken. I blame the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus for starting it–they’re stubborn, ignorant children who don’t know how to play with others. All they know how to do is stand with their arms crossed, stomp their feet and shout, “NO!” Unfortunately, the infection has spread to the rest of the Republican s in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/598 "2017-04-24T16:25:35Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > **Repeal and replace? Repeal and replace the ACA/Obamacare that the Democrats _created_? Why would anyone want to repeal and replace such a grand plan unless they believed that the plan the Democrats created, and passed, sucked?** > > Hopefully, it must never occur to the voters that they should hold the Democrat Party responsible for the creation of ACA/Obamacare, or it’s rising costs, or it’s increasing deductibles, or the loss of their doctor, or the loss of their existing health plan, or anything else associated with the Democrat’s ACA/Obamacare. That might make the voters angry. And angry voters vote. > > Good government is based on electing representatives who are able to find a way to reach a compromise that is best for the country. On a federal level, the U.S.A. doesn’t have elected representatives who can compromise, let alone find a way to compromise. It looks like it’s up to the voters to elect a whole new batch of elected representatives to represent them. Or not. So the Republicans agree this is the best possible plan? Can you explain their failure to repeal and replace otherwise? Whatever the Dems feel about the ACA, the GOP has the steering wheel. It’s their plan to repeal if they feel it’s needed. So far, they haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/599 "2017-04-24T16:35:27Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hopefully, it must never occur to the voters that they should hold the Democrat Party responsible for the creation of ACA/Obamacare, or it’s rising costs, or it’s increasing deductibles, or the loss of their doctor, or the loss of their existing health plan, or anything else associated with the Democrat’s ACA/Obamacare. You presume there were no winners under Obamacare. There were. I don’t know if there were more winners or losers but one of the reasons for hesitating to “repeal and replace” is that there really were benefits as well as liabilities. “Obamacare” is why my spouse could afford his daily diabetes medications. It’s why his cancer treatment was covered and didn’t break us financially. YAY OBAMACARE! It worked for this household! I feel bad for those who lost under Obamacare - largely because we went through a period with NO insurance, and in the past have had problems obtaining insurance. Yeah, I get it, it sucks. Sorry about that. I’m still glad me and mine were covered. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/600 "2017-04-24T17:38:29Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > May I just interpose that anyone who goes so far out of his way to repeat the phrase “Democrat Party” is in no way worthy of having ANY of the shit he writes read by normal people. Hahahaha. If you could provide a copy of your authorization to control what can, and can not, be posted on the internet, I promise I will give it all due consideration. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=31)