# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/601 "2017-04-24T17:48:33Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So the Republicans agree this is the best possible plan? > > Can you explain their failure to repeal and replace otherwise? > > Whatever the Dems feel about the ACA, the GOP has the steering wheel. It’s their plan to repeal if they feel it’s needed. So far, they haven’t. Not that I’m aware of. I have already explained my view as to why there has been a failure to reach a workable compromise. The Democrat Party’s ACA/Obamacare is still the law of the land, and it was created, and passed, by the Democrat Party. It appears that some Democrats are attempting to avoid their parties responsibility for the creation of ACA/Obamacare. This law was the Democrat Parties pride and joy. Why run away from it? Maybe the voters will forget. Maybe they won’t. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/602 "2017-04-24T17:50:28Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. If you could provide a copy of your authorization to control what can, and can not, be posted on the internet, I promise I will give it all due consideration. He’s not saying you can’t, he just saying you’re not worth listening to. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/603 "2017-04-24T17:50:47Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Not that I’m aware of. > > I have already explained my view as to why there has been a failure to reach a workable compromise. > > The Democrat Party’s ACA/Obamacare is still the law of the land, and it was created, and passed, by the Democrat Party. It appears that some Democrats are attempting to avoid their parties responsibility for the creation of ACA/Obamacare. This law was the Democrat Parties pride and joy. Why run away from it? > > Maybe the voters will forget. Maybe they won’t. The Democrats are embracing it, and based on the polling as of late, so is the public at large. The ACA is as popular as it’s every been, and far more popular than the replacement offered by the Republicans, or Trump himself. The irony is that the Republicans’ effort to repeal and replace it have increased its popularity to the point that it’s probably politically impossible for them to get rid of it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/604 "2017-04-24T17:51:49Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Not that I’m aware of. > > I have already explained my view as to why there has been a failure to reach a workable compromise. > > The Democrat Party’s ACA/Obamacare is still the law of the land, and it was created, and passed, by the Democrat Party. **It appears that some Democrats are attempting to avoid their parties responsibility for the creation of ACA/Obamacare.** This law was the Democrat Parties pride and joy. Why run away from it? > > Maybe the voters will forget. Maybe they won’t. Are you actually going to provide cites this time? Or should I just take it as fact that you’re lying? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/605 "2017-04-25T14:45:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Are you actually going to provide cites this time? Or should I just take it as fact that you’re lying? Hahahaha. Every Democrat who tries to hold the Republicans responsible for the Democrat Party’s pride and joy (aka ACA/Obamacare) appears to be attempting to avoid their parties responsibility for the creation of ACA/Obamacare. In 2018, a major campaign question will be whether or not the Democrat Party can convince the voters that ACA/Obamacare isn’t their fault. _It wasn’t us, it was them. They made us pass that ACA/Obamacare thingy. Honest._ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/606 "2017-04-25T14:50:17Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Every Democrat who tries to hold the Republicans responsible for the Democrat Party’s pride and joy (aka ACA/Obamacare) appears to be attempting to avoid their parties responsibility for the creation of ACA/Obamacare. > > In 2018, a major campaign question will be whether or not the Democrat Party can convince the voters that ACA/Obamacare isn’t their fault. _It wasn’t us, it was them. They made us pass that ACA/Obamacare thingy. Honest._ 😃 Since you refuse to provide cites, I will conclude you’re nothing but a liar and a troll. Not that that wasn’t obvious from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/607 "2017-04-25T16:19:28Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Every Democrat who tries to hold the Republicans responsible for the Democrat Party’s pride and joy (aka ACA/Obamacare) appears to be attempting to avoid their parties responsibility for the creation of ACA/Obamacare. > > In 2018, a major campaign question will be whether or not the Democrat Party can convince the voters that ACA/Obamacare isn’t their fault. _It wasn’t us, it was them. They made us pass that ACA/Obamacare thingy. Honest._ 😃 The ACA is quite popular right now, and Democrats are standing by it and celebrating it, in general. Whatever your uncited info source is, it’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/608 "2017-04-25T16:50:49Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Every Democrat who tries to hold the Republicans responsible for the Democrat Party’s pride and joy (aka ACA/Obamacare) appears to be attempting to avoid their parties responsibility for the creation of ACA/Obamacare. Who is doing that? Seriously. Who? Which Democrat is saying that the ACA is bad or that the creation of the ACA is the responsibility of the Republicans? What did he or she say? What “responsibility” is that person trying to avoid? I don’t actually understand any of your arguments here. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/609 "2017-04-25T17:03:45Z")
Calling Republicans incompetent imbeciles for their botched attempt to [del]repeal and replace[/del] mildly change the ACA with the AHCA (TOTALLY DIFFERENT) is not running away from Obamacare. It’s saying the fucknuggets are fucknuggets. Fucknugget. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/610 "2017-04-25T21:06:05Z")
Public support grows for Obamacare: [Poll: 61 percent of Americans do not want Obamacare repealed and replaced](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/25/poll-61-percent-of-americans-do-not-want-obamacare-repealed-replaced/22055102/) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/611 "2017-04-26T01:16:02Z")
The Republicans have succeeded in making Obamacare a lot more popular than Obama and the Democrats were ever able to do. God, I love irony. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/612 "2017-04-26T05:48:52Z")
The waivers allowing states to allow discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions will evidently [not apply to Congress.](https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment) That was one of the big attack lines against Obamacare as it was being crafted, that Congress was going to exempt itself from the law it was passing. It wasn’t really true, but I recall it being effective, at least enough to get them to change it so members and their staff have to get coverage on the exchange. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/613 "2017-04-26T06:54:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Since you refuse to provide cites, I will conclude you’re nothing but a liar and a troll. > Not that that wasn’t obvious from the beginning. Honestly, I’m not sure what value having a habitual liar who insists on trying to debate but refuses to do so honestly brings to the forum. If we’re dedicated to fighting ignorance, we should fight ignorance, not lying shitweasle trolls. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/614 "2017-04-26T11:57:35Z")
Republicans exempt changes to protections for their own insurance from their latest health care proposal: > **[Republicans exempt their own insurance from their latest health care proposal](https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment)** > > Republican legislators want to keep popular Obamacare provisions for themselves and their staff. > [@](#): > > The new Republican amendment, introduced Tuesday night, would allow states to waive out of Obamacare’s ban on pre-existing conditions. This means that insurers could once again, under certain circumstances, charge sick people higher premiums than healthy people. > > Republican legislators liked this policy well enough to offer it in a new amendment. They do not, however, seem to like it enough to have it apply to themselves and their staff. A spokesperson for Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.) who authored this amendment confirmed this was the case: members of Congress and their staff would get the guarantee of keeping these Obamacare regulations. Could these people be any more politically incompetent? This is tailor made for Democratic attack ads and rhetoric – “The Republicans love Obamacare. They love it so much they exempted themselves from changes to the protections it guarantees. They just don’t want you to have the same protections. Democrats want you to have these same protections that Republicans are guaranteeing for themselves.” ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/615 "2017-04-26T14:47:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Republicans exempt changes to protections for their own insurance from their latest health care proposal: > > [Republicans exempt their own insurance from their latest health care proposal - Vox](http://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment) > > Could these people be any more politically incompetent? This is tailor made for Democratic attack ads and rhetoric – “The Republicans love Obamacare. They love it so much they exempted themselves from changes to the protections it guarantees. They just don’t want you to have the same protections. Democrats want you to have these same protections that Republicans are guaranteeing for themselves.” This is the bill you write when you either completely tone deaf, or if you know that the final democratic election in the United States is already behind us. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/616 "2017-04-26T15:39:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Republicans exempt changes to protections for their own insurance from their latest health care proposal: > > [Republicans exempt their own insurance from their latest health care proposal - Vox](http://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment) > > Could these people be any more politically incompetent? This is tailor made for Democratic attack ads and rhetoric – “The Republicans love Obamacare. They love it so much they exempted themselves from changes to the protections it guarantees. They just don’t want you to have the same protections. Democrats want you to have these same protections that Republicans are guaranteeing for themselves.” Heaven’s no! It was just a typo in drafting. They didn’t mean “Section 1312(d)(3)(D)”, they meant something else (someone will be along shortly to explain what, exactly). Just an innocent mistake that anyone could have made, what with all those levels of parentheses. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/617 "2017-04-26T19:39:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Since you refuse to provide cites, I will conclude you’re nothing but a liar and a troll. > Not that that wasn’t obvious from the beginning. It’s a beautiful day. The sun is shining, the birds are singing, and you’re coming across as a sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous asshole. Congratulations. I’ve explained my position upthread. You are either too lazy, stupid, or pigheaded to understand that. I understand that you may be unable to comprehend a position that does not agree with the standard Democrat groupthink. Sucks to be you. Just to clarify, anyone who attempts to hold the Republicans responsible for ACA/Obamacare is trying to muddy the water as to who actually created, passed, and signed ACA/Obamacare into law. ACA/Obamacare is still the law of the land. Why would the Democrats want to share the responsibility for such a grand, and wonderful plan, unless they were concerned that the voters were going to punish someone for foisting ACA/Obamacare on the voting public? Individual claims to the contrary, will a majority of voters reward the creators of ACA/Obamacare in 2018? Or 2020? As I’ve stated before, the voters have elected Republican representatives who are expected to represent their constituents, their own constituents, instead of marching in lockstep with the various party leaders. Good government is based on voters electing representatives who can reach a working compromise. Currently, the U.S. Congress is made up of many factions who are not willing to compromise. Sucks to be us. Or maybe not. As to your conclusions, those plus $6 will get you a large moco choco latte la la at the nearest barista infested Caffe shoppe. Yawn. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/618 "2017-04-26T20:02:26Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It’s a beautiful day. The sun is shining, the birds are singing, and you’re coming across as a sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous asshole. Congratulations. > > I’ve explained my position upthread. You are either too lazy, stupid, or pigheaded to understand that. I understand that you may be unable to comprehend a position that does not agree with the standard Democrat groupthink. Sucks to be you. > > **Just to clarify, anyone who attempts to hold the Republicans responsible for ACA/Obamacare is trying to muddy the water as to who actually created, passed, and signed ACA/Obamacare into law.** ACA/Obamacare is still the law of the land. Why would the Democrats want to share the responsibility for such a grand, and wonderful plan, unless they were concerned that the voters were going to punish someone for foisting ACA/Obamacare on the voting public? > > Individual claims to the contrary, will a majority of voters reward the creators of ACA/Obamacare in 2018? Or 2020? > > As I’ve stated before, the voters have elected Republican representatives who are expected to represent their constituents, their own constituents, instead of marching in lockstep with the various party leaders. Good government is based on voters electing representatives who can reach a working compromise. Currently, the U.S. Congress is made up of many factions who are not willing to compromise. Sucks to be us. Or maybe not. > > As to your conclusions, those plus $6 will get you a large moco choco latte la la at the nearest barista infested Caffe shoppe. Yawn. They are being held accountable for it’s [continued existence.](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-repeal-votes-congress-236459) > [@](#): > > Facing a growing rebellion within his own ranks, Speaker Paul Ryan pulled the Republican Obamacare replacement plan from the House floor on Friday just before a scheduled vote. > > The decision is a staggering defeat for Ryan and President Donald Trump in their first attempt to partner on major legislation and **fulfill a seven-year Republican promise to repeal Obamacare.** And it comes a day after Trump issued an ultimatum to House Republicans to vote for the bill or live with Obamacare. > > GOP lawmakers decided they can, in fact, live with Obamacare, at least for now. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/619 "2017-04-26T20:31:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > They are being held accountable for it’s [continued existence.](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-repeal-votes-congress-236459) Yes, the Democrat’s pride and joy, ACA/Obamacare, is still the law of the land. Personally, I see no reason why any Democrat would want to share the responsibility/credit for their grand old plan. Be proud. Stand up for what you believe in. ACA/Obamacare is the responsibility of the Democrat Party. Revel in that fact. What’s the worst that could happen? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/620 "2017-04-26T20:38:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Yes, the Democrat’s pride and joy, ACA/Obamacare, is still the law of the land. Personally, I see no reason why any Democrat would want to share the responsibility/credit for their grand old plan. Be proud. Stand up for what you believe in. **ACA/Obamacare is the responsibility of the Democrat Party.** Revel in that fact. What’s the worst that could happen? Who said it wasn’t? How is that preventing it’s repeal and replacement? It’s the fault of the GOP that it hasn’t been done. Considering they had seven years to come up with a plan, that’s a major failure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=32)