# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/621 "2017-04-28T17:39:19Z")
GOP Wants to Save Coverage for Pre-Existing Conditions – [But Only for Themselves](https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/gop-wants-save-coverage-pre-221933685.html) That sounds about right. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/622 "2017-04-28T19:36:32Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > GOP Wants to Save Coverage for Pre-Existing Conditions – [But Only for Themselves](https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/gop-wants-save-coverage-pre-221933685.html) > > That sounds about right. See posts 612 and 614. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/623 "2017-04-28T21:04:31Z")
Obamacare Repeal Part Deux [won’t go to a vote either](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/27/house-republicans-obamacare-repeal-votes-237685). When your own party can’t make up it’s mind on something it’s been fighting for years, when it actually matters, you’re a special kind of special. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2017, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/624 "2017-04-29T03:46:32Z")
That’s fine. For the mean time I love watching them falling all over themselves to claim they want to repeal something many of them would lose their jobs over once the fallout hits if they did. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/625 "2017-04-29T15:50:41Z")
What happened to make him reverse himself? Just a few months ago, [it was](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/16/trump-my-healthcare-plan-is-going-to-cover-everybody-n2272035) > [@](#): > > “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.” You can’t even call him a liar because he doesn’t even care. A liar has an agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/626 "2017-05-03T23:17:47Z")
[Some shifting going on in the House Republicans’ favor.](http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-healthcare-amendment-idUKKBN17Z1VS) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/627 "2017-05-04T02:53:03Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > [Some shifting going on in the House Republicans’ favor.](http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-healthcare-amendment-idUKKBN17Z1VS) Not sure how they are planning on voting on it tomorrow considering the GOP [pledge to America](http://pledge.gop.gov/resources/library/documents/pledge/a-pledge-to-america.pdf): “The days of dropping a bill and voting on it within 24 hours must come to an end. We will ensure that bills are debated and available to the public for review, by requiring that the bill be published online for at least three days before a vote. Legislation should not only be understood by Members of Congress who are voting on it, but by the public who will be affected by changes to our nation’s laws. Public disclosure enables constituents to hold public officials accountable for their votes.” I guess we shouldn’t take them literally, or something? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/628 "2017-05-04T03:17:49Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > [Some shifting going on in the House Republicans’ favor.](http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-healthcare-amendment-idUKKBN17Z1VS) Good. Let them be on record. The bill likely won’t look anything like it does now after it clears the Senate, if it clears the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/629 "2017-05-04T18:25:41Z")
> [@](#): > > The House passed Republican legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare, a landmark vote on a bill that would affect health care for millions of Americans. > > The American Health Care Act, which passed on a 217-213 vote, now heads to the Senate, where Republicans have expressed deep reservations about it. But the vote is a big victory for President Donald Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan, and the closest Republicans have come to fulfilling their long-running pledge to overturn Obamacare. [http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/obamacare-repeal-house-vote-decision-237972](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/obamacare-repeal-house-vote-decision-237972) Sad news. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/630 "2017-05-04T18:32:22Z")
Let’s test everyone’s psychic abilities: My Beloved has a permanent spine injury and is a cancer survivor, while I have a heart murmur and a shoulder injury and am taking meds for a previous aneurysm. Now, can you guess which finger each of us are holding up? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/631 "2017-05-04T18:37:31Z")
And now the news about Republican House members flying home and opening “town hall” meetings to bask in the loving approval of their constituents. Well, maybe not. Probably not, actually. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/632 "2017-05-04T18:39:30Z")
Wow! What a ringing endorsement for the GOP and the President! The Republicans have a 45-member lead over the Democrats in the House, and they managed to pass the single most significant piece of legislation from the whole election campaign—the one thing that Republicans hammered on ceaselessly for seven years, and the one thing that even many Democrats agree needs improvement—by a total of four votes. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/633 "2017-05-04T18:42:29Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Wow! What a ringing endorsement for the GOP and the President! > > The Republicans have a 45-member lead over the Democrats in the House, and they managed to pass the single most significant piece of legislation from the whole election campaign—the one thing that Republicans hammered on ceaselessly for seven years, and the one thing that even many Democrats agree needs improvement—by a total of four votes. It likely wasn’t as close as that vote shows. They were trying to protect some of their vulnerable members by having as few vote for this toxic stew as possible. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/634 "2017-05-04T18:43:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And now the news about Republican House members flying home and opening “town hall” meetings to bask in the loving approval of their constituents. > > Well, maybe not. Probably not, actually. Yeah, probably not. As [this story](http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/obamacare-pre-existing-conditions/index.html) notes, the 11 states with the largest percentage of their population likely to be affected by the elimination of the mandate on covering pre-existing conditions, are all states that went for Trump, and most have significant Republican majorities in their House delegations ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/635 "2017-05-04T18:47:15Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > It likely wasn’t as close as that vote shows. They were trying to protect some of their vulnerable members by having as few vote for this toxic stew as possible. You might be right, but in terms of the point i was making, it seems to me to be something of a distinction without a difference. “It was close because we wanted to make sure that some of our members weren’t saddled with this shitty bill” is not that much different, in terms of being an endorsement for their healthcare model, than “It was close because we couldn’t get all our people on board.” If you have to run away from the central plank of your election platform, and from the one thing that you’ve been harping about doing right for the last seven years, so that your own supporters don’t mutiny, that says something about your platform and your competence as a party. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/636 "2017-05-04T18:49:43Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You might be right, but in terms of the point i was making, it seems to me to be something of a distinction without a difference. > > “It was close because we wanted to make sure that some of our members weren’t saddled with this shitty bill” is not that much different, in terms of being an endorsement for their healthcare model, than “It was close because we couldn’t get all our people on board.” If you have to run away from the central plank of your election platform, and from the one thing that you’ve been harping about doing right for the last seven years, so that your own supporters don’t mutiny, that says something about your platform and your competence as a party. Yes to the former, no to the latter. Their platform is terrible and unpopular. But there they are in the majority. I think that points to their competence. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/637 "2017-05-04T19:04:14Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Yes to the former, no to the latter. Their platform is terrible and unpopular. But there they are in the majority. I think that points to their competence. Sure, but competence at getting elected and competence at governing aren’t quite the same thing. You can’t gerrymander your way to good legislation like you can to an electoral victory. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/638 "2017-05-04T19:07:43Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Sure, but competence at getting elected and competence at governing aren’t quite the same thing. You can’t gerrymander your way to good legislation like you can to an electoral victory. Well, is there anything a party with that platform can do that you and I would consider good legislation? I’m just saying that I think they have been competent enough at getting their ideas put in place, given how shitty most people think those ideas are. I don’t think they are doing a good job for the country. I think they’re doing a good enough job for their party and masters. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/639 "2017-05-04T19:07:51Z")
Eyccch. How many people will lose coverage if the Senate goes along with the House on Trumpcare 2.0? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/640 "2017-05-04T19:20:48Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > It likely wasn’t as close as that vote shows. They were trying to protect some of their vulnerable members by having as few vote for this toxic stew as possible. No. If it wasn’t that close they would have passed the version a few weeks ago–and they wouldn’t have been making last minute deals to add a very small number of votes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=33)