# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/741 "2017-05-10T01:16:10Z")
Sen. Orrin “They Can Kiss My Raggedy Ass” Hatch (R-Utah) says [repealing the Affordable Care Act](https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-gop-senator-public-wants-212210744.html) is essential in order to keep too many people from going “on the dole.” ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/742 "2017-05-10T01:17:29Z")
Making people bankrupt themselves to stay alive keeps them off the dole? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/743 "2017-05-15T02:04:24Z")
Woman attempts to [drive GOP congressman off road](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/13/woman-attempts-to-drive-gop-congressman-off-road-over-health-care-vote-police-say/?utm_term=.6c9b2ae131f3) over health-care vote. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/744 "2017-05-15T02:09:57Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Woman attempts to [drive GOP congressman off road](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/13/woman-attempts-to-drive-gop-congressman-off-road-over-health-care-vote-police-say/?utm_term=.6c9b2ae131f3) over health-care vote. Not really > [@](#): > > The Weakley County Sheriff’s Department said Wright tailed the car carrying Kustoff. At some point, the congressman and his aide became afraid and worried that Wright \*\*wanted to force them off the road. > \*\* > They then turned into a driveway and stopped. That’s where Wright got out, screamed at the congressman and struck the windows of his vehicle, even reaching inside the car, the sheriff’s department said. > > Authorities said Wright then stood in front of the vehicle to try to keep Kustoff from leaving. At some point, someone called 911, but Wright left before authorities arrived. Granted, she acted like a crazed person but the headline isn’t accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/745 "2017-05-15T17:29:47Z")
Miss USA says health care [is a ‘privilege,’ not a right.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/05/15/miss-usa-says-health-care-is-a-privilege-not-a-right-sparking-debate-during-pageant/?utm_term=.d52890602acb) Here’s hoping she did better in the swimsuit competition. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/746 "2017-05-15T18:13:46Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Miss USA says health care [is a ‘privilege,’ not a right.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/05/15/miss-usa-says-health-care-is-a-privilege-not-a-right-sparking-debate-during-pageant/?utm_term=.d52890602acb) > > Here’s hoping she did better in the swimsuit competition. She already won. So she did pretty well in all competitions. Including the life competition. As in having a degree in radiochemistry, being a member of the Golden Key International Honour Society and working for the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/747 "2017-05-16T12:29:13Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) [says](http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/05/rep_mo_brooks_people_who_live.html) that people without pre-existing medical conditions are people who “have lead good lives” and “done things the right way.” > > I guess i’ll let my wife know that the breast cancer and ovarian cyst for which she had operations a few years ago could have been avoided by being a better person. I was a very naughty fetus, then. Diagnosed as asthmatic before I was a year old. My mom didn’t even smoke or drink when she was pregnant with me, and this was in 1969. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/748 "2017-05-16T16:18:14Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > … As in having a degree in radiochemistry, being a member of the Golden Key International Honour Society and working for the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Well then. I guess ignorance knows no bounds. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/749 "2017-05-16T16:25:22Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > I was a very naughty fetus, then. Diagnosed as asthmatic before I was a year old. My mom didn’t even smoke or drink when she was pregnant with me, and this was in 1969. It’s your fault because you masturbated in the womb, which displeased God. NO INSURANCE FOR YOU, SINNER! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/750 "2017-05-16T23:00:45Z")
Trump team [to dismantle small-business](http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obamacare-small-business-20170516-story.html) part of Obamacare marketplaces ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/751 "2017-05-16T23:06:11Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > She already won. So she did pretty well in all competitions. Including the life competition. As in having a degree in radiochemistry, being a member of the Golden Key International Honour Society and working for the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission. She works with Radiochemistry and believes health care is a ‘privilege’? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/752 "2017-05-16T23:14:23Z")
Intelligence and morality are two different things. Fancy that. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/753 "2017-05-19T11:26:52Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Making people bankrupt themselves to stay alive keeps them off the dole? No, but the dead don’t cash any welfare checks. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/754 "2017-05-19T12:30:29Z")
Updates, such as they are: The bill the House passed should be getting a CBO score next week. We were hearing Monday, but now are hearing Wednesday. The major hope for the opponents of AHCA is that the score will be as bad as or worse than the original score, which was really bad. There is the tiniest glimmer of more hope that it will not reduce the deficit, in which case they will have to change it in order to send it to the Senate. The Senate keeps saying things like they are starting over or are not going off the House bill, but they are going off the House bill. Some conversations about whether to delay the phase-out of the Medicaid expansion. We’re even more concerned with the per-capita cap, which would likely be a death sentence for Medicaid’s financing of Home- and Community-Based Services, the main types of long-term services and supports that keep people in their homes and communities instead of being in nursing facilities. This is a BIG FUCKING DEAL. We don’t want to return to the era of warehousing people. And money not spent in HCBS will be money spent in acute services. The GOP in the Senate finds the PCC hunky dory. Toomey and Lee want to cut Medicaid even more than the 800+ billion in the House bill. We’re talking destruction of the program here. Millions of people need this care. Seema Verma apparently thinks it’s okay to extort or bribe insurers into supporting AHCA, so it’s great to know that the corruption doesn’t stop at the top (and who really thought it did?) Senate talking about keeping the individual mandate, which makes me laugh, and delaying the repeal of various taxes. It’s a shitshow, no doubt about it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/755 "2017-05-20T13:23:59Z")
Lost in the flurry of bad news for the Trump’s yesterday, was [this nugget](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/19/donald-trump-end-payments-obamacare-subsidies-238616), that Trump would like to end the subsidies, and his administration is trying to talk him out of it. Considering that their previous intervention on behalf of the president to [get him to stop using twitter](http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-twitter-intervention-2017-5) hasn’t seemed to work very well, not sure what effect anyone has on him. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/756 "2017-05-20T23:41:05Z")
Only if it’s something he wants to do anyway… until he (perhaps inevitably) changes his mind and decides not to. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/757 "2017-05-20T23:43:58Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Lost in the flurry of bad news for the Trump’s yesterday, was [this nugget](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/19/donald-trump-end-payments-obamacare-subsidies-238616), that Trump would like to end the subsidies, and his administration is trying to talk him out of it. The entire insurance industry is apparently freaking out too. That might have more of an effect, as they go directly to Congress as well. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/758 "2017-05-24T21:06:14Z")
Meet the [new CBO score](http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/335000-cbo-obamacare-repeal-bill-would-leave-23m-fewer-people-with-insurance), same (really close) to the old score: > [@](#): > > The GOP’s ObamaCare replacement bill that passed the House would result in 23 million fewer people with health insurance over 10 years, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said in an analysis released Wednesday. > > The total is slightly less than the CBO’s accounting of a previous version of the bill. > > The CBO also found that an amendment allowing states to waive certain regulations would mean premiums would be somewhat lower than in the previous version of the bill, and slightly more people would get coverage, because they are buying plans that cover fewer healthcare services. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/759 "2017-05-24T22:35:55Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Meet the [new CBO score](http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/335000-cbo-obamacare-repeal-bill-would-leave-23m-fewer-people-with-insurance), same (really close) to the old score: > > > [@](#): > > > > …slightly more people would get coverage, because they are buying plans that cover fewer healthcare services. Okay…carried to a logical conclusion, the most affordable policy would be one that covers absolutely **nothing**! Universal coverage that everyone can afford. I think I’ve found the answer! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/760 "2017-05-31T16:22:21Z")
If the Republicans are going the repeal and replace route a [recent poll](http://kff.org/health-costs/report/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-may-2017-the-ahcas-proposed-changes-to-health-care/)makes it very clear that the AHCA bill currently passed by the house isn’t going to be it, unless law makers are suicidal. Only 8% want it passed unchanged. Overall 55% have unfavorable views of AHCA as compared to only 31% that have favorable views. Compare this with Obama care whose unfavorable rating never exceeded 53% and approval never fell below 33% and these were not reached at the same time. The worst net negative was for Obamacare was about 16 points as compared to the current 24 points for AHCA. Among those who feel strongly only 12% have strongly favorable views as compared to 40% who have strongly negative views. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=39)