# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/801 "2017-06-27T00:13:46Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Yep. To quote a former coworker “It’s like twelve monkeys fucking a football.” > > I don’t know what that means, but it’s bad! Then again, in the context of health care, the shorter phrase “It’s like twelve monkeys” would be even worse. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/802 "2017-06-27T00:51:49Z")
BTW, I’m sorry I missed so much of this conversation. The Dopers help my faith in Americans, which is daily dashed because I keep reading comments on news articles. _jsgoddess_, I have to catch up on this issue. Was on vacation, and I go on a news fast during that time since I can’t discuss it at all. One of our party is a good person but seriously deluded; he’s one of those people who counters facts and data with “I don’t believe in that.” > [@Ludovic](#): > > Then again, in the context of health care, the shorter phrase “It’s like twelve monkeys” would be even worse. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/803 "2017-06-27T01:18:47Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > he’s one of those people who counters facts and data with “I don’t believe in that.” Interesting. I get that same phrase from various family members and acquaintances, all of them conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/804 "2017-06-27T01:21:22Z")
It’s interesting phrasing, too; not “I don’t believe that,” but “I don’t believe IN that.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/805 "2017-06-27T01:55:17Z")
You’re entitled to your own beliefs; you’re not entitled to your own facts. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/806 "2017-06-27T04:55:55Z")
A person making $11,400 in 2026 will face a deductible [that’s more than half their income](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/a-person-making-11400-in-2026-will-face-a-deductible-thats-more-than-half-their-income/?utm_term=.9ece570b7cd0), ensuring that people have the ability to “exercise their freedom” not to be insured. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/807 "2017-06-28T22:06:36Z")
It’s not like you can live\* on $11,400 anywhere in America in 2017. \*In this argument, live = have a clean dry place to sleep, food security, and new shoes every other year. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/808 "2017-07-08T01:03:25Z")
Loving this. “McConnell says GOP must shore up ACA insurance markets if Senate bill dies” > **[McConnell says GOP must shore up ACA insurance markets if Senate bill dies](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-says-gop-must-shore-up-aca-insurance-markets-if-senate-bill-dies/2017/07/06/e2df2b8e-6251-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html)** > > Senate GOP leader’s comments suggest support for GOP health bill remains elusive, could point to bipartisan talks > [@](#): > > Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Thursday that if his party fails to muster 50 votes for its plan to rewrite the Affordable Care Act, it will have no choice but to draft a more modest bill with Democrats to support the law’s existing insurance markets. > > The remarks, made at a Rotary Club lunch in Glasgow, Ky., represent a significant shift for the veteran legislator. While he had raised the idea last week that Republicans may have to turn to Democrats if they cannot pass their own bill, his words mark the first time he has explicitly raised the prospect of shoring up the ACA… \*ThelmaLou looks outside to see if hell has frozen over. \* If McConnell does this, I might be able to muster up a tiny shred of respect for him. It’s a sad state of government affairs when facing reality becomes newsworthy. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/809 "2017-07-08T03:33:37Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Loving this. > > “McConnell says GOP must shore up ACA insurance markets if Senate bill dies” > [http://wapo.st/2svIYwX](http://wapo.st/2svIYwX) > > \*ThelmaLou looks outside to see if hell has frozen over. \* > > If McConnell does this, I might be able to muster up a tiny shred of respect for him. It’s a sad state of government affairs when facing reality becomes newsworthy. Or it might have been a threat. "We either come up with 50 votes, or … COMPROMISE WITH DEMOCRATS!! MUUUWWWWAAAAHHAAAHHAAAA!!! [duh duh duuuuuuhhh!!! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/810 "2017-07-08T03:41:05Z")
Some of these people are noticing how many people in their state will lose coverage and that it includes people with insurance through their work too, not just people on ACA. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/811 "2017-07-08T12:36:55Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Or it might have been a threat. "We either come up with 50 votes, or … COMPROMISE WITH DEMOCRATS!! MUUUWWWWAAAAHHAAAHHAAAA!!! [duh duh duuuuuuhhh!!! Oh, it **definitely** was a threat. No question about it. But he is seeing the REALITY of the situation. In contrast with Trump who has no contact with reality, to wit, “Let’s just say fuck-it and repeal that sucker! We’ll replace **someday**. In the meantime, who cares about the losers it will affect.” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/812 "2017-07-14T06:12:33Z")
For another whacky whack at it again, a new [Senate Republican Health Bill](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/us/politics/senate-republican-health-care-bill.html) is at the free throw line and it’s all coming up Shaquille O’Neal. Darndest thing. > [@](#): > > With 52 Republicans in the Senate, and two firm “no” votes already, a single new defection would doom the bill and jeopardize the Republicans’ seven-year quest to dismantle the health law that is a pillar of President Barack Obama’s legacy. On PBS Newshour tonight Lisa Desjardins was mentioning that along with two definite naysayers - Susan Collins (Maine) and Rand “curlier-haired than Mike Reno” Paul (Kentucky), there were five other senators - Ron Johnson (Wi.), Mike Lee (Ut.), Shelly Moore Capito (WV), Dean Heller (NV), Lisa Murkowski [Ak] - who all had their own misgivings. Meanwhile президент Trump is getting all synapse-hampered over these bungling senate nitwits and their very, very sad lack of results. I’m sure he’s wishing he could just go “You’re All fired!” ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/813 "2017-07-14T11:36:04Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > For another whacky whack at it again, a new [Senate Republican Health Bill](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/us/politics/senate-republican-health-care-bill.html) is **at the free throw line and it’s all coming up Shaquille O’Neal.** I just gotta say, that’s a terrific turn of phrase. Kudos. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/814 "2017-07-14T14:10:58Z")
> [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > I just gotta say, that’s a terrific turn of phrase. Kudos. Hat tipped. Wasn’t sure if I should’ve mentioned Shaq or [Joakim Noah](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d7qx1P5lIE). Considering the odds of this getting ratified are as likely as президент Trump getting the Nobel for restraining hmself from grabbing Brigitee Macron’s hoo-hah, are the reps going back for a third attempt, then, or just repeal and…freefall? Just the _sound_ of the “Cruz amendment”…gross. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/815 "2017-07-14T16:57:53Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > On PBS Newshour tonight Lisa Desjardins was mentioning that along with two definite naysayers - Susan Collins (Maine) and Rand “curlier-haired than Mike Reno” Paul (Kentucky), there were five other senators - Ron Johnson (Wi.), Mike Lee (Ut.), Shelly Moore Capito (WV), Dean Heller (NV), Lisa Murkowski [Ak] - who all had their own misgivings. [Cory Gardner](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/cory-gardner-a-swing-state-case-study-of-the-gop-health-care-bind/2017/07/13/c86b9866-6736-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html) is in an interesting position according to the Washington Post basically he’s probably against the health care bill but can’t state so publicly. As a former Coloradoan, I think he’s got to vote no if he’ll be #50 but he’ll be ok if it gets 51 or 52 votes. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/816 "2017-07-14T18:30:24Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > [Cory Gardner](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/cory-gardner-a-swing-state-case-study-of-the-gop-health-care-bind/2017/07/13/c86b9866-6736-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html) is in an interesting position according to the Washington Post basically he’s probably against the health care bill but can’t state so publicly. As a former Coloradoan, I think he’s got to vote no if he’ll be #50 but he’ll be ok if it gets 51 or 52 votes. There only are 52 Republican senators, and two of them (Collins and Rand Paul) are already solid nos. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/817 "2017-07-14T20:07:11Z")
Your tax dollars at work. Paul Ryan backs off killing the ACA to take up women’s right to [bare their arms](http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/speaker-paul-ryan-lobby-modernize-dress-code/index.html) on The Hill. What a freaking [Tool](https://newcity.com/2012/10/10/dime-stories-the-tool/). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/818 "2017-07-14T20:13:21Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Your tax dollars at work. Paul Ryan backs off killing the ACA to take up women’s right to [bare their arms](http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/speaker-paul-ryan-lobby-modernize-dress-code/index.html) on The Hill. > > What a freaking [Tool](https://newcity.com/2012/10/10/dime-stories-the-tool/). After all the shit Michelle took, _now_ it’s OK? I guess anything Obama is a target. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/819 "2017-07-14T20:15:04Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Loving this. > > “McConnell says GOP must shore up ACA insurance markets if Senate bill dies” > [http://wapo.st/2svIYwX](http://wapo.st/2svIYwX) > > \*ThelmaLou looks outside to see if hell has frozen over. \* > > If McConnell does this, I might be able to muster up a tiny shred of respect for him. It’s a sad state of government affairs when facing reality becomes newsworthy. After all that has happened, ANY Democrat who works with McConnell on Anything is a asshole and should be tossed out soon as possible. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/820 "2017-07-14T20:16:05Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > It’s interesting phrasing, too; not “I don’t believe that,” but “I don’t believe IN that.” They’re also VERY good at not “remembering” anything that is inconvenient for them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=42)