# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/921 "2017-07-24T20:00:31Z")
So, I’m unclear on the procedures. If they pass something, does it get kicked back to the House of Representatives again after debate? Or does it become law? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/922 "2017-07-24T20:04:08Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > So, I’m unclear on the procedures. If they pass something, does it get kicked back to the House of Representatives again after debate? Or does it become law? If they passed the House bill as-is, it would go to the President. Because they are planning to change it, the House will have to vote again. This is unlikely to be a problem for them. And Trump would sign anything he was given. It could say “Trump is a fucking idiot and the ACA is officially Trumpcare and it sucks” and he would sign it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/923 "2017-07-24T20:10:13Z")
“[Still time to do the right thing](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-health-care-speech-24-jul-live-updates/)”? Okay, when can we expect you to act presidential? ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/924 "2017-07-24T20:13:26Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Motion to proceed vote scheduled for tomorrow. I’m hearing 2:15. > > It’s completely unclear what they are voting on. It’s completely unclear who is voting for it. I think it’s likely to pass the MTP and then a final, devastating bill. This could be because I’m a realist or it could be because I’m a pessimist. Don’t ask me, IOW. I don’t care how much you hate the ACA because you think it’s an affront to federalism, or because you want a lower tax rate on rich people, or because you think that premiums and deductibles should be lower, or because your alien overlords from an alternate dimension sent you instructions through your fillings for unknown reasons. It’s completely unacceptable to write major, life affecting legislation in such a slapdash, chaotic fashion. Even the Senate doesn’t know what it’s going to be voting on, much less the end effects of the unknown amendments. I’m rapidly losing the capacity for surprise at much of anything, but it is frankly shocking to me that they’re apparently really going through with a vote without establishing _what the bill says first_. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/925 "2017-07-24T20:15:03Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > I don’t care how much you hate the ACA because you think it’s an affront to federalism, or because you want a lower tax rate on rich people, or because you think that premiums and deductibles should be lower, or because your alien overlords from an alternate dimension sent you instructions through your fillings for unknown reasons. It’s completely unacceptable to write major, life affecting legislation in such a slapdash, chaotic fashion. Even the Senate doesn’t know what it’s going to be voting on, much less the end effects of the unknown amendments. I’m rapidly losing the capacity for surprise at much of anything, but it is frankly shocking to me that they’re apparently really going through with a vote without establishing _what the bill says first_. It’s like they all read choose your own adventure books as children and think that’s just WAY COOL, MAN! Let’s do legislation that way! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/926 "2017-07-24T20:18:39Z")
Man, I just spit taked (took?) jalapeno potato chips and Goose Island IPA all over my keyboard. When can we expect _Trump_ to act Presidential? Holy shit, cleanup on aisle my house! > [@Skywatcher](#): > > … Okay, when can we expect you to act presidential? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/927 "2017-07-24T21:04:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Man, I just spit taked (took?) jalapeno potato chips and Goose Island IPA all over my keyboard. When can we expect _Trump_ to act Presidential? Holy shit, cleanup on aisle my house! Exactly. Even if he did know the right thing to do, he would do the exact opposite no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/928 "2017-07-25T02:04:22Z")
McCain is coming back in time to help vote to take health care away from millions (if he votes as it is expected he will). > **[John McCain to return to Senate Tuesday for health care vote | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politics/john-mccain-returns-health-care-vote/index.html)** > > Sen. John McCain, recently diagnosed with an aggressive form of brain cancer, will make a dramatic return to the Senate Tuesday to cast a critical vote on health care legislation. > [@](#): > > “Senator McCain looks forward to returning to the United States Senate tomorrow to continue working on important legislation, including health care reform, the National Defense Authorization Act, and new sanctions on Russia, Iran and North Korea,” his office said in a statement. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/929 "2017-07-25T02:16:57Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > McCain is coming back in time to help vote to take health care away from millions (if he votes as it is expected he will). > > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politics/john-mccain-returns-health-care-vote/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politics/john-mccain-returns-health-care-vote/index.html) I hope someone reminds him that he gets care from the same plan that he wants to take from tens of millions. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/930 "2017-07-25T02:47:33Z")
If they don’t know what the bill says, I could see an argument that the votes don’t matter. And if the reconciliation rule isn’t followed, they’re nuking the filibuster. Can they even do that after the current rules have been established? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/931 "2017-07-25T03:24:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > If they don’t know what the bill says, I could see an argument that the votes don’t matter. And if the reconciliation rule isn’t followed, they’re nuking the filibuster. Can they even do that after the current rules have been established? Actually, the filibuster doesn’t need to be nuked. There is a rule, in the Senate, that a senator is not allowed to speak more than twice on the same topic that is raised, in one “legislative day” (which is not 24 hours, but a Senate session). So you can allow the Democratic Senators to speak. Not more than twice each. If every one of them manages to speak for 24 hours straight (though I doubt they will), it will take around 90 days to kill the “filibuster”. Of course, in order to do that, Republican have to find some cojones that have gone missing quite a while ago. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/932 "2017-07-25T03:30:06Z")
Did you know Obamacare is [17 years old?](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/24/trump-incorrectly-claims-obamacare-has-been-in-place-for-17-years.html) > [@](#): > > President Trump blasted ObamaCare on Monday as a “meaningless promise” that’s caused nothing but pain for the past 17 years. The only problem is that the Affordable Care Act has been in place for only seven years – a verbal slip-up that quickly went viral. > > “For the last 17 years, ObamaCare has wreaked havoc on the lives of innocent, hardworking Americans,” Trump said about the health care bill that was signed into law by former President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/933 "2017-07-25T03:33:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Did you know Obamacare is [17 years old?](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/24/trump-incorrectly-claims-obamacare-has-been-in-place-for-17-years.html) It’s 17 years old in all 57 states. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/934 "2017-07-25T03:48:24Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s 17 years old in all 57 states. That’s right. You assholes pretended that Obama thought there were 57 states, we know that Trump is stupid enough to think it’s been 17 years. ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/935 "2017-07-25T04:30:23Z")
Those who vote for the repeal of the ACA should give up their own medical insurance. Perhaps to pay for his cancer treatments McCain could get a loan from Lincoln Savings & Loan… ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/936 "2017-07-25T04:38:36Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Those who vote for the repeal of the ACA should give up their own medical insurance. > > Perhaps to pay for his cancer treatments McCain could get a loan from Lincoln Savings & Loan… He could sell one or two of his homes. He has 6 or 7, right? I forget how many. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/937 "2017-07-25T12:07:51Z")
Apparently McCain is going to be a hero and manage to return to DC to vote to take health care away from 30 million of his own people. Don’t pay attention to any of his patriotic-sounding bullshit; he’s a party hack. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/938 "2017-07-25T14:54:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Apparently McCain is going to be a hero and manage to return to DC to vote to take health care away from 30 million of his own people. > > Don’t pay attention to any of his patriotic-sounding bullshit; he’s a party hack. In my mind, I officially discredited McCain as a center-right “maverick” when he brought in Sarah Palin as his VP. In reality, it probably happened long before that but there was once a time when he at least gave being a decent legislator some lip service. Now he’s just trying to do and say whatever he can to keep his personal taxpayer-funded goodies. Though I seem to recall his right wing challenger being an outright kook, I admit that there was a part of me that would not have minded seeing McCain lose anyway, especially considering it was obvious he was going to vote every which way to keep his standing. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/939 "2017-07-25T15:19:02Z")
The newest news is that they are trying for a skinny repeal: just repealing the individual mandate, plus maybe the employer mandate, and the medical device tax. Then it would go to conference. While I don’t want ANYTHING passed by these idiots, it’s good to think that Medicaid might be the sticking point. That might make it hard to bring it back in in conference. Call your Senator to vote no on the motion to proceed, please. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/940 "2017-07-25T15:23:24Z")
We’ll have to pass it to find out what’s in it? Literally? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=48)