# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/941 "2017-07-25T15:26:43Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s 17 years old in all 57 states. > [@The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8062): > > I am not as good at avoiding the Pit as I thought I am. I usually weigh in to correct or educate posters on the subject matter. So, who’s being corrected or educated there? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/942 "2017-07-25T15:27:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We’ll have to pass it to find out what’s in it? Literally? Like a stool sample! ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/943 "2017-07-25T15:29:39Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Now he’s just trying to do and say whatever he can to keep his personal taxpayer-funded goodies. What the fuck should he care? He’s got the kind of cancer that doesn’t get better; he’ll be room temperature before Christmas. I’d like to think he’s making this enormous effort to get back to the Senate and vote “no,” in penance for his past shitty life. I’d also like to think there’s fairies living in my rose garden. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/944 "2017-07-25T15:53:27Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > So, who’s being corrected or educated there? > > 😃 You have been educated. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/945 "2017-07-25T15:59:20Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You have been educated. You have been corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/946 "2017-07-25T16:13:08Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You have been educated. Okay, name states 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, and 57. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/947 "2017-07-25T16:54:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We’ll have to pass it to find out what’s in it? Literally? Kinda. The Senators have to pass the Motion to Proceed (to debate on the bill) for _them_ to find out what’s in the bill. This is easily the craziest fucking thing I’ve seen in 50 years of following Washington politics. Maybe weirder shit has happened in the states during that time, but never at the Federal level. This is a huge and important issue, and they’re going to deal with it in a procedure that makes your average game show look deliberative by comparison. I’ve called my Senators (both Dems, so it doesn’t really make a difference, but I do it anyway), and now I can only hope the Motion to Proceed fails. Looks like Collins and Murkowski will vote No, but since McCain will be there (and what a great guy he is, getting excellent and affordable health care, and getting off his sickbed to deprive others of the same - fuck his sorry ass), they’ll need one more. The rest of the so-called ‘moderates’ - Heller, Capito, Cassidy, Flake - have backbones of spaghetti, and it’s hard to see any of them being the third vote. Portman’s a fake even as a ‘moderate’ in scare quotes. My best hope is that Sen. Moran of Kansas meant what he said, that this needs to go back to regular order. Or that there’s enough GOP Senators doubting the wisdom of bringing this bill to the floor that, as a group, they’ll have the guts that they lack individually. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/948 "2017-07-25T17:04:51Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > The newest news is that they are trying for a skinny repeal: just repealing the individual mandate, plus maybe the employer mandate, and the medical device tax. So what’s the CBO estimate on this option? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/949 "2017-07-25T17:14:01Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > So what’s the CBO estimate on this option? There isn’t one. Can’t wait around for frivolities like a CBO score when you’ve got to get something, _anything_, to conference - and the only route there is for Mitch the Turtle to bamboozle and buffalo the handful of GOP Senators who are nervous about voting for this turkey. Getting something to conference resurrects the House bill, of course, and the conference committee is another anything-can-happen forum. The good news is that both houses of Congress have to vote on whatever comes out of conference, but the bad news is that there’s usually a strong predisposition to pass it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/950 "2017-07-25T17:16:27Z")
Given how much the Republicans have shat on the ACA, claiming it’s the worst piece of legislation in history, I think they should just attempt a straight repeal of the entire bill. Once they do that, they can pass the perfect legislation they have up their sleeves. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/951 "2017-07-25T17:17:29Z")
“Usually” doesn’t seem to apply here, though. It was all Eddie Munster could do to squeak his own bill through the House, and that was before the backlash got so intense. It’s only a matter of \*how \*it dies, and how entertainingly, not whether. I think. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/952 "2017-07-25T17:18:25Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > So what’s the CBO estimate on this option? They did a weird analysis last year that said 15 million more uninsured. But they assumed lots of people would drop Medicaid, which I find baffling (except for people in Indiana or other states with premiums). ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/953 "2017-07-25T17:20:32Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > The newest news is that they are trying for a skinny repeal: just repealing the individual mandate, plus maybe the employer mandate Washington State did that in the 90s. Guaranteed issue but the mandate was repealed. Three years later all insurers had left the individual market in the state. So, from the “Kill The ACA” point of view, skinny repeal is smart… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/954 "2017-07-25T17:22:23Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Washington State did that in the 90s. Guaranteed issue but the mandate was repealed. Three years later all insurers had left the individual market in the state. > > So, from the “Kill The ACA” point of view, skinny repeal is smart… Sure, except they will absolutely own it. And also that’s not what I would expect to see come out of conference. Though they could then prance about like fools and claim they repealed Obamacare. And most of their voters would eat it up, since they aren’t incredibly interested in facts right now. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/955 "2017-07-25T17:30:11Z")
I’ve said this before, but if the Republicans wanna own health care, let 'em. I don’t understand why anyone would want this hot potato. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/956 "2017-07-25T17:35:58Z")
Well, they’ll have one year, three months and a couple of weeks to own it, with millions losing their insurance, before the mid-term elections. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/957 "2017-07-25T17:37:07Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I’ve said this before, but if the Republicans wanna own health care, let 'em. I don’t understand why anyone would want this hot potato. I’m sorry to say this, but I think at this point, we need health care to fail in a spectacular way in order to save it. And yes, this means people will die, but it’s often the the case that people have to die to make things better. We’ll send the sick to the health care war, and hope most make it back alive. Maybe after the casualty count is high enough, our country will actually work together to come up with a solution. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/958 "2017-07-25T17:44:41Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I’ve said this before, but if the Republicans wanna own health care, let 'em. Nuts to that. I don’t want Obamacare repeal to be some great political club for the Dems to use against the GOP next November. I want people to _keep their health care._ You know, Dems have had all sorts of tweaks and improvements to Obamacare on tap for some time now, but with zero chance of even getting a House or Senate committee to look at them. If Trump wanted to take all those improvements and call the whole thing Trumpcare, and get it through Congress, _I’d be fucking delighted_, even though it would make it much more likely that the GOP stayed in control of Congress. This isn’t a damn football game. This is a Big Fucking Deal in the lives of tens of millions of people. For many of them, Obamacare is the difference between life and ruin. I don’t want the GOP to own health care, because they’re on the side of Ruin. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/959 "2017-07-25T17:44:46Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > I’m sorry to say this, but I think at this point, we need health care to fail in a spectacular way in order to save it. And yes, this means people will die, but it’s often the the case that people have to die to make things better. We’ll send the sick to the health care war, and hope most make it back alive. Maybe after the casualty count is high enough, our country will actually work together to come up with a solution. Sadly, I agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/960 "2017-07-25T17:49:17Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Well, they’ll have one year, three months and a couple of weeks to own it, with millions losing their insurance, before the mid-term elections. That’s all peachy keen if someone would actually beat them in the mid-terms. But since I have seen no proof of that, I’m not going to count on it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=49)