# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1001 "2017-07-26T02:20:19Z")
The Senate on Tuesday night voted against a version of the Republican health care overhaul plan, called the Better Care Reconciliation Act. The procedural vote was technically on whether the amendment complies with the budget act, but practically means that the BCRA can’t become law without being substantially rewritten. > **[How Each Senator Voted on Obamacare Repeal Proposals (Published 2017)](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0&mtrref=t.co)** > > The Senate failed to pass three amendments to repeal the health care law. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1002 "2017-07-26T10:29:10Z")
Well, dodged one bullet – though I’m disappointed my Republican senator (Ron Johnson) voted “yes” – he’s shown signs of “maverickness.” How many more bullets to be dodged? Anyone know? And…could we convince the media outlets that Trump views to lie and pretend he “won”? Just give him the satisfaction he craves, so we can all move on (with the ACA fully intact). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1003 "2017-07-26T12:47:07Z")
Only 43 of the 52 Republicans voted for McConnell’s favorite vandalism bill. There’s cause for hope that all the others will die too, and finally force some sense of responsibility into their caucus. Not expectation, not yet, but hope. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1004 "2017-07-26T13:28:22Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Well, dodged one bullet – though I’m disappointed my Republican senator (Ron Johnson) voted “yes” – he’s shown signs of “maverickness.” > > How many more bullets to be dodged? Anyone know? > > And…could we convince the media outlets that Trump views to lie and pretend he “won”? Just give him the satisfaction he craves, so we can all move on (with the ACA fully intact). They will be voting on (there are lots of names for this) “full repeal”/ORRA/the 2015 repeal/the 2015 bill at 11:30. Here’s an excellent resource: > **[What’s next for the Senate Republicans’ effort to repeal Obamacare, in one...](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/24/16019984/obamacare-repeal-republican-flow-chart)** > > The road is very narrow, but it’s not impossible. Note: the Vox writer thinks they are likely to vote quickly on the skinny bill in the House. That presumes the House decides not to conference it, which I think is unlikely at this point because the skinny bill is not something the House will be impressed by. But it’s important to note that the parliamentarian is really bringing the hammer on a lot of their ideas, so they might feel there is simply nothing they can add on that will get through the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1005 "2017-07-26T14:33:09Z")
**Jsgoddess** , I just want to say that you _ARE_ a goddess, in addition to being The Absolute Bomb. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1006 "2017-07-26T15:47:06Z")
A US friend of mine wrote today: “Watching Trump and the GOP senators wrestle with these healthcare bills is like watching a group of monkeys trying to build a nuclear reactor out of used car parts and weapons-grade plutonium. Comical, pathetic and existentially horrifying all at the same time.” ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1007 "2017-07-26T15:49:37Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > A US friend of mine wrote today: “Watching Trump and the GOP senators wrestle with these healthcare bills is like watching a group of monkeys trying to build a nuclear reactor out of used car parts and weapons-grade plutonium. Comical, pathetic and existentially horrifying all at the same time.” I’m sticking with the twelve monkeys fucking a football image. It’s… fitting. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1008 "2017-07-26T15:59:18Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > **Jsgoddess** , I just want to say that you _ARE_ a goddess, in addition to being The Absolute Bomb. That’s sweet! Thanks. There also is apparently going to be a vote on a return to bipartisan process. This is potentially interesting because a handful of GOP Senators have complained about the process not going through committees of jurisdiction. I would expect Collins to be a yes, maybe Murkowski. Maybe, despite his bullshit, John McCain. But first, the vote on repeal and delay plus abortion language shortly. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1009 "2017-07-26T16:03:55Z")
It’s very strange that McConnell is trying to see what he can get his caucus to support by making them vote on it, rather than, yanno, \*asking \*them. What’s his plan - to get something he can show as evidence that “Hey, we tried our best, but the damn Democrats wouldn’t even think of joining us, so blame them. Let’s go on to the tax code, and giving people who don’t need the money a handout and calling it an incentive instead of giving people who do need the money an incentive and calling it a handout.” ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1010 "2017-07-26T16:14:38Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > But first, the vote on repeal and delay plus abortion language shortly. That’s been delayed now until 3:30. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1011 "2017-07-26T18:51:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s very strange that McConnell is trying to see what he can get his caucus to support by making them vote on it, rather than, yanno, \*asking \*them. Maybe he wants every Republican Senator to be able to say “I voted to repeal Obamacare; it’s \ who killed it.” If they hold a vote on several versions, even if they all fail to pass, every Republican would have voted for at least on of them. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1012 "2017-07-26T18:52:21Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Maybe he wants every Republican Senator to be able to say “I voted to repeal Obamacare.” If they hold a vote on several versions, even if they all fail to pass, every Republican would have voted for at least on of them. Genius. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1013 "2017-07-26T19:01:33Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s very strange that McConnell is trying to see what he can get his caucus to support by making them vote on it, rather than, yanno, \*asking \*them. What’s his plan - to get something he can show as evidence that “Hey, we tried our best, but the damn Democrats wouldn’t even think of joining us, so blame them. Let’s go on to the tax code, and giving people who don’t need the money a handout and calling it an incentive instead of giving people who do need the money an incentive and calling it a handout.” I think the idea is to give their primary opponents something to run on. Don’t vote for repeal? You’ll feel the pain in the next primary. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1014 "2017-07-26T20:21:30Z")
The [“Repeal Without Replace” bill was defeated,](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/health-care-senate-vote.html?_r=0) 45-55 vote. So the next step is the “vote-a-rama”? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1015 "2017-07-26T20:22:55Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > That’s been delayed now until 3:30. Failed, 45-55. Looks like they gained 6 yea and lost 4. > **[How Each Senator Voted on Obamacare Repeal Proposals (Published 2017)](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html)** > > The Senate failed to pass three amendments to repeal the health care law. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1016 "2017-07-26T20:33:16Z")
Can we add these to the count of Repeal Obamacare votes from the last 8 years? We’re up over a hundred now, aren’t we? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1017 "2017-07-26T20:34:13Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > The [“Repeal Without Replace” bill was defeated,](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/health-care-senate-vote.html?_r=0) 45-55 vote. > > So the next step is the “vote-a-rama”? There will be several more votes before then and more debate. I’m not sure exactly how many hours are left in the debate. Likely to be a vote on Graham-Cassidy (I think), which is a block grant of ACA funds. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1018 "2017-07-26T21:24:38Z")
If it weren’t about people’s health care and absolutely a matter of life and death, this “let’s vote on stuff and see what happens” would be hilarious. I can practically read the sitcom script. ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1019 "2017-07-26T23:28:19Z")
I wonder how the spread of infectious diseases would be effected by 32 millions being stripped of healthcare… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1020 "2017-07-27T00:15:39Z")
Dems got a score of “skinny repeal” alone, based on their understanding of the likely text. 16 million losing coverage, 20% spike in premiums. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=52)