# The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146 "2017-01-02T17:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1361 "2017-09-22T15:59:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Because independents have been enabling Republicans and their destructive policies for years, with their weak-dick “Both sides do it, so I’m just an independent” chickenshit opinions. Yep. I used to think I was an independent but quit because I saw it wasn’t helping and it was actually doing the opposite of what I wanted. I decided it was better to pick the side that is most aligned with what you believe. Of course, a decade later and I am firmly in the side I went with. I look back and cannot believe the dumb stuff I used to think and how I used to vote. Man, I was a dipshit in my 20’s! :smack: And a dipshit in more than just political ideologies. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1362 "2017-09-22T16:44:25Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Called Ted Cruz’s office, again, this morning. Someone answered! > > "Yes, I am calling, again, to ask the Senator not to kill me. I would have thought that my vote to have the Senator not kill me was settled in July… with the Senator voting to kill me… but he is trying it again. One would think that in America, one’s representatives would not cause active harm to their constituents, but here we are. > > I also want to mention that you are working for a man who inspires people to call him up and ask not to be killed… and he votes to kill them anyway. What does this say about you?" > > Usually left as a VM, but glad I got through. Did they offer any response, or just say “Thank you for your call. _click_”? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1363 "2017-09-22T17:03:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Called Ted Cruz’s office, again, this morning. Someone answered! > > "Yes, I am calling, again, to ask the Senator not to kill me. I would have thought that my vote to have the Senator not kill me was settled in July… with the Senator voting to kill me… but he is trying it again. One would think that in America, one’s representatives would not cause active harm to their constituents, but here we are. > > I also want to mention that you are working for a man who inspires people to call him up and ask not to be killed… and he votes to kill them anyway. What does this say about you?" > > Usually left as a VM, but glad I got through. Bravo! Well said! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1364 "2017-09-22T18:05:02Z")
Ding-dong, it just may be dead. [McCain to vote no on Graham-Cassidy.](http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351931-mccain-to-vote-no-on-obamacare-repeal) All comes down to Collins, who is leaning no. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1365 "2017-09-22T18:05:27Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Ding-dong, it just may be dead. > > [McCain to vote no on Graham-Cassidy.](http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351931-mccain-to-vote-no-on-obamacare-repeal) Hooray! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1366 "2017-09-22T18:05:50Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Ding-dong, it just may be dead. > > [McCain to vote no on Graham-Cassidy.](http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351931-mccain-to-vote-no-on-obamacare-repeal) Fingers crossed that this opens some floodgates. And that I don’t have to finish the issue brief I’m writing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1367 "2017-09-22T18:10:51Z")
“Jimmy Kimmel triumphs over President Donald Trump in healthcare policy fight is now a real headline in 2017” > ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1368 "2017-09-22T18:13:11Z")
One of my colleagues came bursting out of her office with a screeching “MCCAIN IS A NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I saw it on TWIIIIIITTERRRRRRRR!” That’s how we all heard about it here. Good times. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1369 "2017-09-22T18:15:32Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > One of my colleagues came bursting out of her office with a screeching “MCCAIN IS A NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I saw it on TWIIIIIITTERRRRRRRR!” That’s how we all heard about it here. Good times. 🙂 Yep, and the NYT confirms. McCain comes through! ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1370 "2017-09-22T18:16:57Z")
Your issue brief should just be this hyperlink: [Hamilton You Don't Have the Votes - YouTube](https://youtu.be/Xb6F6kIqlxw) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1371 "2017-09-22T18:19:39Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Jimmy Kimmel triumphs over President Donald Trump in healthcare policy fight is now a real headline in 2017” > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/911289540572323840) Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! That’s awesome! > [@Nux](#): > > Oh, what a day! What a _lovely_ day! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1372 "2017-09-22T18:23:06Z")
As someone who was legitimately and immediately gonna get burned by a repeal, my rum-drinking tonight may have just shifted from “sorrow-drowning mopey face” to “shit-eating-grin face.” ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1373 "2017-09-22T18:26:43Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Ding-dong, it just may be dead. > > [McCain to vote no on Graham-Cassidy.](http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351931-mccain-to-vote-no-on-obamacare-repeal) > > All comes down to Collins, who is leaning no. Why is McCain the tipping point? They need three Republican votes against to kill it, right? McCain, Collins and who else? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1374 "2017-09-22T18:28:42Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Why is McCain the tipping point? They need three Republican votes against to kill it, right? McCain, Collins and who else? Ryan, because it doesn’t screw enough people hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1375 "2017-09-22T18:30:01Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Ryan, because it doesn’t screw enough people hard enough. Rand Paul. The one named after Ayn Rand. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1376 "2017-09-22T18:30:05Z")
Okay, that’s what I thought, and jeez I wouldn’t be comfortable depending on Paul’s vote until the month is over. Edit: LOL, my ability to distinguish Paul Ryan and Rand Paul is so bad I don’t even notice when somebody else uses the wrong name… ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1377 "2017-09-22T18:30:06Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Why is McCain the tipping point? They need three Republican votes against to kill it, right? McCain, Collins and who else? Rand Paul has been pretty definitive over the last few days. “I won’t be bribed or bullied.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1378 "2017-09-22T18:41:02Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > …And that I don’t have to finish the issue brief I’m writing. 😃 Pursuant to my authority as Queen of Romania, I hereby issue an exemption to **jsgoddess**. _Egotist te absolvo,_ go, and sin some more. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1379 "2017-09-22T18:41:02Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Rand Paul. The one named after Ayn Rand. :smack: Dammit, It’s Friday and I get the house assholes names screwed up with the Senate assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1380 "2017-09-22T18:50:48Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > So I gotta ask again – has the media been remiss in not covering this? Or did they all do it on the quiet, through e-mails and phone calls (but they could have done that while their reps were still in Washington, right?), or did they all go up to their rep’s offices at home and complain, or was this a case of a few big donors (or a really few BIG donors\*) complaining? > > Or is this a Talking Point that the Republicans are pushing as a reason, regardless of what happened? > > Or is it something else? > > \*The Kochs have reportedly said that they’re withholding their $400 million for the 2018 elections until ACA is repealed and they see some action on tax reform. [NYT Article:](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/us/politics/republican-donors-obamacare-repeal.html?ribbon-ad-idx=5&rref=homepage&module=Ribbon&version=origin®ion=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Home%20Page&pgtype=article) “Behind New Obamacare Repeal Vote: ‘Furious’ G.O.P. Donors” OK, so a majority of the public does not want the ACA to be repealed. Yet the GOP donors most definitely do. What exactly to big donors like the Kochs GET out of this? I assume it is money. \*\* How does the repeal give them more cash in their pockets? . \*\* I am going to operate out of the assumption that money drives these big donors, rather than evil thoughts like “we want to see the poor people dead” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146.md?page=70)