# The Republican national Convention **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 18, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729 "2016-06-18T21:53:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1342 "2016-07-22T18:20:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It would be interesting to know whether she’s been deliberately dishonest and misleading. It would certainly be a disappointment if so. > > As far as the condo that never got built, I don’t blame Trump or Ivanka for that. There’s no logical or reasonable way a licensing entity like Trump can guarantee the fulfillment of projects undertaken by its licensee. Such a practice or requirement would virtually lock the licensor into having to underwrite whatever project the licensee might choose to undertake, and to whatever practical or extravagant lengths the licensee might go. > > And as far as Ivanka’s statement about male/female pay scales within Trump’s campaign, you have to remember to take media bias into account. Are they being truthful or deceptive? What I’d like to know is if the campaign’s functionaries are being paid unequally for equal work and hours, or whether the _Boston Globe_ just added up male salaries and female salaries in order to arrive at their figures without taking into account that some of the higher male pay is perhaps for experienced high level talent in running campaigns, talent for which at this point there may be a shortage when it comes to female talent. The LA Times did a great piece on this. [URL=][Trump's failed Baja condo resort left buyers feeling betrayed and angry](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-baja-snap-story.html) > [@](#): > > **LA TIMES story excerpt** > “We are developing a world-class resort befitting of the Trump brand,” Ivanka Trump said in a video on the Trump Baja website. “I’m very excited about it. I actually chose to buy a unit in the first tower.” > > Her father appeared in the same video saying he was proud “that when I build, I have investors that follow me all over.” > > “They invest in what I build, and that’s why I’m so excited about Trump Ocean resort,” he said. People swindled in this deal say they were led to believe by statements like the above that this was a TRUMP project, not a “licensed” project. Notice his orangeness says “ **I** build” in the above quote. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1343 "2016-07-22T18:35:06Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I haven’t read all the comments since yesterday, but what was with Trump’s ass-grab on Ivanka? I know he once said that he’d like to “date” her, but that was a very un-parent like grope. I’ve never grabbed my daughter like that, and have never seen any father do that until now. i had a huh? moment, i thought it was a bit of an ackward move. then when they reshowed it, it was really obvious. what on earth??!! very odd. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1344 "2016-07-22T18:37:31Z")
In a press conference this morning, Trump said he didn’t understand why the _National Enquirer_ didn’t get a Pulitzer Prize for its reporting on Trump’s father’s connection to the JFK assassination. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1345 "2016-07-22T18:41:11Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > i had a huh? moment, i thought it was a bit of an ackward move. then when they reshowed it, it was really obvious. what on earth??!! very odd. I’m going to guess that’s a common “move” of his when interacting with women, slightly titillating but plausibly deniable, and he just did it here out of habit. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1346 "2016-07-22T18:50:40Z")
Back to the change theme, I got a look at the Democratic platform and was pleasantly surprised. Among other things: -a $15 national minimum wage -free public college tuition a la Berne -decriminalize marijuana -end for-profit prisons -hire millions for infrastructure projects -campaign finance reform And more. Getting it passed is a whole nother thing, and we can argue about whether they are good ideas, but right off the bat there seems way more to sink one’s teeth into compared to, “distract them with fear from the fact that all we really care about is cutting taxes for the wealthy.” ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1347 "2016-07-22T19:48:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It would be interesting to know whether she’s been deliberately dishonest and misleading. It would certainly be a disappointment if so. > > As far as the condo that never got built, I don’t blame Trump or Ivanka for that. There’s no logical or reasonable way a licensing entity like Trump can guarantee the fulfillment of projects undertaken by its licensee. Such a practice or requirement would virtually lock the licensor into having to underwrite whatever project the licensee might choose to undertake, and to whatever practical or extravagant lengths the licensee might go. > > And as far as Ivanka’s statement about male/female pay scales within Trump’s campaign, you have to remember to take media bias into account. Are they being truthful or deceptive? What I’d like to know is if the campaign’s functionaries are being paid unequally for equal work and hours, or whether the _Boston Globe_ just added up male salaries and female salaries in order to arrive at their figures without taking into account that some of the higher male pay is perhaps for experienced high level talent in running campaigns, talent for which at this point there may be a shortage when it comes to female talent. Well, she admitted to learning at her father’s knee. Or at least his desk knee hole. When your role model is a scammer and a swindler, what lessons are learned? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1348 "2016-07-22T20:02:27Z")
How was anyone scammed or swindled? As far as I know, at the time Trump and his daughter made those statements, the condo development was underway and expected to be completed. How were Trump and Ivanka to know the guy would run out of money and be unable to complete his building? And if anyone was swindled it would have been by the developer, not the Trumps. But I haven’t read anywhere so far that the developer himself was enriched somehow by swindling or otherwise cheating people who put down money for a condo in his building. Every investment carries with it an element of risk, even down payments on real estate. Just because someone loses money, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they were deliberately screwed out of it to enrich someone else. I imagine there’s a long list of financiers and contractors and suppliers this developer wound up owing money to as a result of his having failed to complete his building. Meh, it happens. I’m sorry for the guy who lost his savings by putting up money for a condo that was never finished, but the fault wasn’t Trump’s. The fault lies with an overly ambitious developer who bit off more than he could chew. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1349 "2016-07-22T20:05:09Z")
I see the convention is over. When should I start looking to see if there’s a post-convention bounce? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1350 "2016-07-22T20:06:12Z")
Well, that speech and convention have settled the question without a doubt: _Fascism is “a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1351 "2016-07-22T20:15:13Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > In a press conference this morning, Trump said he didn’t understand why the _National Enquirer_ didn’t get a Pulitzer Prize for its reporting on Trump’s father’s connection to the JFK assassination. Didn’t see it, but I assume you mean Cruz’s father. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1352 "2016-07-22T20:27:03Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Well, that speech and convention have settled the question without a doubt: > > F_ascism is “a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.”_ A somewhat less editorialized definition from [Merriam-Webster](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism): > [@](#): > > fascism > noun fas·cism \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- > Popularity: Top 1% of lookups > Simple Definition of fascism > : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government > : very harsh control or authority > Source: Merriam-Webster’s Learner’s Dictionary > > Full Definition of fascism > 1 > often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition > 2 > : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control \ Sounds a lot like communism to me, only without long lines to get a loaf of bread. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1353 "2016-07-22T20:38:39Z")
Yes, sorry, Cruz’s father. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1354 "2016-07-22T21:00:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m about to call it a night, but before I go I have to say I’m highly skeptical of these contractor rip off stories. Word on that kind of behavior would get around quick and Trump would never have been able to hire all the people who’ve built his tons of projects. Politics aside, we both have an interest in Trump’s business model. You are absolutely correct. But word did get around. And after the early 1990s nobody would lend him money for new projects. So he went into branding, which is an arm’s length transaction. Trump can’t reneg on an agreement like that. A friend of my family was a NY contractor who told my parents about Trump’s slowness in paying his bills. At the time it was a semi-humorous and vague story (which I heard via my parents). So yeah, word got around. What fascinates me though is how Trump was able to keep going so long. Continue reading the TPM piece: [Low Dollar, Same Grift - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/low-dollar-same-grift) The proper strategy of dealing with Trump is to say you’re going to speak with your lawyer. Because if you agree to 70% too soon, you are prey. You will then be pushed down to 30%. This part is what truly surprised me though: [INDENT][INDENT] I’ve seen many a New Yorker settle things like this with Trump people for 5-10 cents on the dollar and then happy, even eager to keep doing business with them. Why? Because he got in their heads with this aggressively counterintuitive behavior. [/INDENT][/INDENT] Boggles my mind. We know he does this sort of thing though. Think about the scandal with the Mexican real estate development with his kid. Deposits were said to be refundable, except in practice they weren’t. They reneged. ---
**Author:** ![67java89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/aeb1de/32.png) [@67java89](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/67java89)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1355 "2016-07-22T22:18:45Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I haven’t read all the comments since yesterday, but what was with Trump’s ass-grab on Ivanka? I know he once said that he’d like to “date” her, but that was a very un-parent like grope. I’ve never grabbed my daughter like that, and have never seen any father do that until now. It reminds me of the creepy stuff that used to go on with Billy Ray Cyrus and Miley, esp in the Vanity Fair photos. [http://http://www.eonline.com/eol\_images/Entire\_Site/2013727/rs\_560x415-130827102529-560.3miley.ls.82713.jpg](http://http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2013727/rs_560x415-130827102529-560.3miley.ls.82713.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![67java89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/aeb1de/32.png) [@67java89](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/67java89)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1356 "2016-07-22T22:30:51Z")
> [@67java89](#): > > It reminds me of the creepy stuff that used to go on with Billy Ray Cyrus and Miley, esp in the Vanity Fair photos. > > [http://http://www.eonline.com/eol\_images/Entire\_Site/2013727/rs\_560x415-130827102529-560.3miley.ls.82713.jpg](http://http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2013727/rs_560x415-130827102529-560.3miley.ls.82713.jpg) Missed the edit window, so here is a link that works > **[More Creepy? Miley and Billy Ray Cyrus for Vanity Fair](https://gothamist.com/news/more-creepy-miley-and-billy-ray-cyrus-for-vanity-fair)** > > While there may be an uproar around Miley Cyrus's "topless" photo ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1357 "2016-07-23T01:50:41Z")
I’m guessing that the networks didn’t broadcast [Congressman Sam Klimson (R-Delaware) diverging from his originally planned speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4JGRICQo8). (NSFW) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1358 "2016-07-23T01:58:31Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I’m guessing that the networks didn’t broadcast [Congressman Sam Klimson (R-Delaware) diverging from his originally planned speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4JGRICQo8). (NSFW) I reads that as Sam _Kinison._ No wonder the network didn’t broadcast it. Plus him being dead and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1359 "2016-07-23T02:09:01Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I’d really prefer not to see a political party referred to this way. We have many posters who align themselves with the Republican Party and it casts a wide net on them. > > No warning. Point taken, but I’d like to add that I don’t intend to characterize all Republicans themselves that way. I’ve known many fine ones including my father and pretty much all of his family. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1360 "2016-07-23T02:09:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I reads that as Sam _Kinison._ No wonder the network didn’t broadcast it. > > Plus him being dead and all that. Plus that the clip was from\* The Onion\*.😃 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1361 "2016-07-23T03:09:18Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Jon Stewart appeared on Colbert’s show last night & had a few words to say about being American… > You can see the full clip [on this page](http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-late-night-rnc-comedy-20160721-column.html). Which is a summary of humorous commentary on the debacle just witnessed. I also like this one: “This one” being: > [@](#): > > Colbert took note of Trump’s direct appeal to Democratic primary voters who backed the runner-up, Sen. Bernie Sanders: “Makes sense. If his supporters can’t have Bernie, they’ll go to Trump. Kind of like if you ask for a Coke but they don’t have it, you say, ‘Then just fill my mouth with bees.’ ” LMAO! I love this so much–thank you. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I see the convention is over. > > When should I start looking to see if there’s a post-convention bounce? 538’s answer is to look for polls that were conducted entirely after the convention ended (so Friday through Sunday or Monday) with the caveat that they have to be conducted before the DNC gets underway. Otherwise, what’s really useful is to see where things stand after both conventions are over. > [@Chefguy](#): > > I haven’t read all the comments since yesterday, but what was with Trump’s ass-grab on Ivanka? I know he once said that he’d like to “date” her, but that was a very un-parent like grope. I’ve never grabbed my daughter like that, and have never seen any father do that until now. Link to video? > [@67java89](#): > > Missed the edit window, so here is a link that works > > [More Creepy? Miley and Billy Ray Cyrus for Vanity Fair - Gothamist](http://gothamist.com/2008/04/29/more_creepy_mil.php) I’m a dad of two daughters (and two sons), and I don’t see anything wrong with that photo. If Trump (the #whinylittlebitch) grabbed his daughter’s ass, then yeah: that’s creepy. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Ditto, it’s a real and worthy cause. Not terribly important in the whole scheme of things, but it would be nice to see that done eventually. Cosigned, although I will say that as **Snarky Kong** notes, it is not the hill to die on. > [@adaher](#): > > Candidates who ran as Clinton did, proposing only standard Democratic policies without attacking the WAY DC does business: Kerry, Gore, Mondale, Humphrey. Only one of whom lost decisively. I’m just not buying into your narrative whatsoever. “We are Democrats, these are our longstanding principles, here’s why they are worthy principles, please elect us so we can enact them” seems to me \*exactly \*what a political party should present to the voters. What individual candidates and campaigns should be judged on is how effectively they execute the “here’s why they are worthy principles” part. Not on whether they rewrite the playbook so it’s shiny and new. Hell, look at how jazzed young voters got over Bernie Sanders, even though his musty, dusty, little red playbook was over half a century old at the very least. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729.md?page=69)