# The Republican national Convention **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 18, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729 "2016-06-18T21:53:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1362 "2016-07-23T03:22:10Z")
The Trump’s never miss an opportunity to make a quick buck. Princess Ivanka’s speech was a commercial for her clothing. Her convention dress went on sale at Macy’s for $138. It is already sold out. [http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/ivanka-trump-sleeveless-studded-sheath-dress?ID=2846058](http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/ivanka-trump-sleeveless-studded-sheath-dress?ID=2846058) ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1363 "2016-07-23T03:40:09Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > The Trump’s never miss an opportunity to make a quick buck. Princess Ivanka’s speech was a commercial for her clothing. Her convention dress went on sale at Macy’s for $138. It is already sold out. > > [http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/ivanka-trump-sleeveless-studded-sheath-dress?ID=2846058](http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/ivanka-trump-sleeveless-studded-sheath-dress?ID=2846058) Not only that , Ivanka [tweeted a sales pitch](https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/756492146484580352) about it. The entire family is just a bunch of slick salespeople. Her clothing line, including the exact dress she wore last night, all made in China. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1364 "2016-07-23T03:40:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Link to video? > […] > If Trump (the #whinylittlebitch) grabbed his daughter’s ass, then yeah: that’s creepy. [Over here](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/21/donald_trump_almost_gives_daughter_butt_pat_on_national_tv.html). Two angles, one top of the page, another further down. He does not really get to it IMO, it’s more like a reprise of the thing with Pence, some awkwardness about what is the physical gesture of affection that goes with the moment. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1365 "2016-07-23T03:44:54Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > Her clothing line, including the exact dress she wore last night, all made in China. She is Making China Great. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1366 "2016-07-23T03:47:12Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > [Over here](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/21/donald_trump_almost_gives_daughter_butt_pat_on_national_tv.html). Two angles, one top of the page, another further down. He does not really get to it IMO, it’s more like a reprise of the thing with Pence, some awkwardness about what is the physical gesture of affection that goes with the moment. Yeah, that’s a bit weird. Still not seeing the problem with the photo of whatsisface and whatserface (the country singer and his famous daughter). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1367 "2016-07-23T03:53:15Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > She is Making China Great. Still. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1368 "2016-07-23T04:16:37Z")
She’s also being sued for “plagiarizing” someone else’s shoe designs. > **[Ivanka Trump sued over shoe design](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/06/22/ivanka-trump-sued-over-shoe-design/86257622/)** > > Italian footwear maker claims presidential candidate's daughter copied copyright design ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1369 "2016-07-23T04:27:19Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > She’s also being sued for “plagiarizing” someone else’s shoe designs. I heard that My Little Pony has similar horseshoes and the accusations are unfair. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1370 "2016-07-23T04:48:45Z")
Those shoes are completely different. The Trump one has a totally different strap patterm.:rolleyes: Besides, nobody will be able to afford the Trump ones when her father is President and she has to pay the 30% tax for making them in China. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1371 "2016-07-23T05:39:06Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yeah, that’s a bit weird. Still not seeing the problem with the photo of whatsisface and whatserface (the country singer and his famous daughter). It’s the fact that her upper body is draped between his thighs, _and_ that her midriff is bare, _and_ that he seems to be holding her hand against her boob. It strikes me as an inappropriate pose between a father and his grown daughter. \ JMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1372 "2016-07-23T05:52:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think he’s portraying Clinton and Obama as the same person or something. aka “The Obama Strategy” when he would talk about McCain as if he would be George W. Bush: Third Term. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1373 "2016-07-23T06:01:02Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I haven’t read all the comments since yesterday, but what was with Trump’s ass-grab on Ivanka? I know he once said that he’d like to “date” her, but that was a very un-parent like grope. I’ve never grabbed my daughter like that, and have never seen any father do that until now. He didn’t grab her ass, he patted the side of her hips. From the video taken side on it looked to me like he was reassuring her about something to do with her dress, like maybe she’d expressed concern that the dress made her hips look too wide or something. His expression seemed to convey also that he was reassuring her while at the same time congratulating her. There was nothing sexual about it at all. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1374 "2016-07-23T06:19:45Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Politics aside, we both have an interest in Trump’s business model. > > You are absolutely correct. But word did get around. And after the early 1990s nobody would lend him money for new projects. So he went into branding, which is an arm’s length transaction. Trump can’t reneg on an agreement like that. > > A friend of my family was a NY contractor who told my parents about Trump’s slowness in paying his bills. At the time it was a semi-humorous and vague story (which I heard via my parents). So yeah, word got around. > > What fascinates me though is how Trump was able to keep going so long. Continue reading the TPM piece: [Low Dollar, Same Grift - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/low-dollar-same-grift) > > The proper strategy of dealing with Trump is to say you’re going to speak with your lawyer. Because if you agree to 70% too soon, you are prey. You will then be pushed down to 30%. This part is what truly surprised me though: [INDENT][INDENT] I’ve seen many a New Yorker settle things like this with Trump people for 5-10 cents on the dollar and then happy, even eager to keep doing business with them. Why? Because he got in their heads with this aggressively counterintuitive behavior. [/INDENT][/INDENT] Boggles my mind. We know he does this sort of thing though. Think about the scandal with the Mexican real estate development with his kid. Deposits were said to be refundable, except in practice they weren’t. They reneged. An interesting article, but I’m not sure I buy into everything it reported or the conclusions it drew. Trump put up buildings in New York city for decades before he began licensing his name. How did he manage to do that if he made a practice of stiffing all his contractors? And while I haven’t dug into it to find out for sure, I believe he’s still putting up buildings and creating resorts and things to this day. It strikes me as entirely possible that contractors did sometimes try to rip him off and that what you’re hearing are sour grapes from contractors who tried cutting corners or perhaps overcharging for their work. I would imagine also that New York City building contractors are a petty rough bunch and not all that inclined to give up hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars just because legal fees would eat up most of what was being contested. I’d think they’d rather see the money go to lawyers rather than to let Trump beat them out of it like that. And not only that, but I’d expect Trump to have wound up with broken legs (if not worse) at some point had he been routinely ripping off his contractors like the article contends he had. I’m sure he has security but I doubt he always did during the time he was coming up, and I’d imagine even now he goes out on his own from time to time. I’d think it would be a very worrisome existence for anyone trying to rip off New York City contractors for such large sums of money. So bottom line? I’m somewhat concerned but remain unconvinced. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1375 "2016-07-23T07:13:11Z")
When you’re accused one or a few times, it’s possibly false. When you’re Bill Cosbyed literally thousands of times, it’s vanishingly unlikely that you’re not a slimeball operator. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1376 "2016-07-23T09:19:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So bottom line? I’m somewhat concerned but remain unconvinced. Oh come on, just be honest and admit you’re going to support Trump even if he’s found guilty of child rape. As I posted before there are 100s of court records available, they’re public record, multiple media agencies have gone through them and come to the same conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1377 "2016-07-23T09:47:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > An interesting article, but I’m not sure I buy into everything it reported or the conclusions it drew. Trump put up buildings in New York city for decades before he began licensing his name. How did he manage to do that if he made a practice of stiffing all his contractors? And while I haven’t dug into it to find out for sure, I believe he’s still putting up buildings and creating resorts and things to this day. > > It strikes me as entirely possible that contractors did sometimes try to rip him off and that what you’re hearing are sour grapes from contractors who tried cutting corners or perhaps overcharging for their work. I would imagine also that New York City building contractors are a petty rough bunch and not all that inclined to give up hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars just because legal fees would eat up most of what was being contested. I’d think they’d rather see the money go to lawyers rather than to let Trump beat them out of it like that. And not only that, but I’d expect Trump to have wound up with broken legs (if not worse) at some point had he been routinely ripping off his contractors like the article contends he had. I’m sure he has security but I doubt he always did during the time he was coming up, and I’d imagine even now he goes out on his own from time to time. I’d think it would be a very worrisome existence for anyone trying to rip off New York City contractors for such large sums of money. > > So bottom line? I’m somewhat concerned but remain unconvinced. You should be going to the Olympics with that kind of mental gymnastic > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > He didn’t grab her ass, he patted the side of her hips. From the video taken side on it looked to me like he was reassuring her about something to do with her dress, like maybe she’d expressed concern that the dress made her hips look too wide or something. His expression seemed to convey also that he was reassuring her while at the same time congratulating her. There was nothing sexual about it at all. Here, you and I pretty much agree. I don’t think it was overtly, deliberately sexual, but I can also see how others could interpret it differently. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1378 "2016-07-23T11:23:13Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Y > > Here, you and I pretty much agree. I don’t think it was overtly, deliberately sexual, but I can also see how others could interpret it differently. I tend to agree that it is not sexual, but it is incredibly awkward. It makes for, like his air kiss of Pence, a weird slightly icky feeling visual. It truly is like he didn’t know what to do with his hands upon greeting her. If you asked me to hold a baby alligator, I would react this way, not knowing where to put my hands. A father greeting his daughter should know what to do. Hug her and then step back. Easy. **Starving Artist** ’s “she needed reassuring about her dress” does not jive at all with the confidence Ivanka has displayed in public settings. Just admit Trump is a bit of lummox sometimes. For all his bluster, he is socially an odd duck. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1379 "2016-07-23T13:44:39Z")
Oh, I’m no Trump supporter, and I certainly am not trying to say he isn’t awkward. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1380 "2016-07-23T16:27:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > He didn’t grab her ass, he patted the side of her hips. From the video taken side on it looked to me like he was reassuring her about something to do with her dress, like maybe she’d expressed concern that the dress made her hips look too wide or something. His expression seemed to convey also that he was reassuring her while at the same time congratulating her. There was nothing sexual about it at all. :rolleyes: Sorry, but grabbing a woman’s hips is clearly a sexual action. That’s how you touch your lover, not your daughter. Now, he may be too stupid to understand that, but it doesn’t make it any less squicky. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729/1381 "2016-07-23T16:54:15Z")
I don’t know. I pat my daughter on the butt all the time. I also like to stroke her hair. Sometimes she climbs into bed with me and I grab her leg, or nibble her toes. She loves it. But her favorite thing is when I lift her over my head and then make pbbbbbbt sounds on her little tummy. She giggles and giggles and gives me the best hugs! And then she says in her little voice, “Again Daddy!” She’s just the cutest little girl ever. Sorry. Anyway, Trump is a thoroughly creepy guy who’s said really weird things about his daughter. I didn’t see it has an attempted ass-grab, but whatever it was, it’s not the way parents usually touch their adult children. If my mom patted me on the hip like that, I’d think “the fuck?” It would just be kind of a weird thing to do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-national-convention/757729.md?page=70)