# The Republican War on Voting Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 11, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723 "2021-03-11T17:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/401 "2021-06-23T17:14:50Z")
I shared that on Facebook. A Trump-supporting friend reacted. She posted šŸ˜† . ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/402 "2021-06-23T17:30:25Z")
And for that heā€™ll lose his next primary by fifty points. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/403 "2021-06-23T17:47:41Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/gop-investigation-finds-no-michigan-vote-fraud-deems-many-claims-ludicrous](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/gop-investigation-finds-no-michigan-vote-fraud-deems-many-claims-ludicrous) > > > A months-long Republican investigation into Michiganā€™s 2020 election uncovered no evidence of widespread fraud and concluded Wednesday with a recommendation the attorney general investigate those who made false claims for ā€œpersonal gain.ā€ > > > > The 35-page report prepared by Sen. Ed McBroom, R-Vulcan, dives deep to debunk conspiracy theories perpetuated by former President Donald Trump and some of his supporters in the wake of the Michigan election, which Democratic President Joe Biden won by 154,188 votesā€¦ And yet ā€¦ > **[Michigan GOP passes voter ID bill to deter ā€˜fraud.ā€™ Critics call it ā€˜garbageā€™...](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-gop-passes-voter-id-bill-deter-fraud-critics-call-it-garbage)** > > The Senate bill ends the right for voters without ID to sign an affidavit. Republicans say itā€™s a small step to prevent fraud, which is exceedingly rare. > The three bills ā€¦ eliminate the option for voters to sign an affidavit if they lack identification, requiring them instead to cast a provisional ballot and prove their identity within six days. > > The bills would also require voters requesting an absentee ballot to provide on the application their driver license or state ID number, last four digits of their Social Security number, or submit an original or copy of their ID. Because ā€¦ GOP gonna GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/404 "2021-06-23T17:50:37Z")
Most of all this can be summed up as ā€œwarfare is violent politics, and politics is peaceful warfare.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/405 "2021-06-23T18:21:11Z")
I think itā€™s more like ā€œEverybody who votes for us has a drivers license and can get time off work to drive to a precinct with little or no waiting. Everyone else, weā€™re going to throw as many barriers at them as possibleā€ ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/406 "2021-06-23T23:38:42Z")
If Democrats on a national level cave on voter ID, Iā€™m gonna have some re-thinking to do. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/407 "2021-06-24T00:05:54Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > If Democrats on a national level cave on voter ID Unless I misread, the For the People Act requires valid identification\* before a vote can be counted, as do current federal vote-by-mail registration laws that apply to forty-three states (some were grandfathered out of the law). North Dakota is excepted from those provisions of the bill and current law because they have not required voter registration at all since before 1993 or something. \* includes photo ID, bank/utility statements, government check, paycheck, or any government document showing name and address ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/408 "2021-06-24T00:13:09Z")
I donā€™t have a problem with voter ID as long as thereā€™s a free and easily available ID card that any eligible voter can get. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/409 "2021-06-24T00:17:50Z")
You provide the ID when you register, for fuckā€™s sake, not every time you vote. Fair warning from me to Democratic candidates looking for my vote. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/410 "2021-06-24T00:18:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I donā€™t have a problem with voter ID as long as thereā€™s a free and easily available ID card that any eligible voter can get. And rainbow farting unicorns, too? ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/411 "2021-06-24T00:45:19Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Unless I misread, the For the People Act requires valid identification\* before a vote can be counted, Unless Iā€™m misreading, I donā€™t think this is the case at all. The For the People Act does not require that voters present valid ID ā€“ it requires that IF a state has a voter ID requirement, they must allow a voter to provide a sworn affidavit of eligibility to vote in lieu of state identification requirements (though this only applies to federal elections). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/412 "2021-06-24T02:16:54Z")
Iā€™ve basically given up. Iā€™m wondering which passage of the Bible I should memorize to convince American ISIS that Iā€™m a believer. Wondering which portrait of Trump I should display in my window facing the street. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/413 "2021-06-24T14:16:10Z")
A new study out today showing that 46% of Republican voters consider it acceptable for state legislatures to overturn their statesā€™ popular election results. The pretense will be to accuse urban areas of fraudulent procedures but there will be no evidence required nor ever presented. I guess my question becomes, can a state with a Dem governor stop the actions of a red legislature if it tries to pull something like this? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/414 "2021-06-25T00:03:02Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Iā€™ve basically given up. Iā€™m wondering which passage of the Bible I should memorize to convince American ISIS that Iā€™m a believer. Wondering which portrait of Trump I should display in my window facing the street. One with a Hitler-mustache drawn on. (Hey, it couldnā€™t hurt!) \ > [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > A new study out today showing that 46% of Republican voters consider it acceptable for state legislatures to overturn their statesā€™ popular election results. ā€¦ And there it is: the fragility of democracy revealed in one horrifying statistic. The thing is, these people have been there all along. The only effect of Trumpism is to make them feel safe to openly express their longings for authoritarian rule and official white supremacy. Granted, some of this might change if our culture didnā€™t provide them with the aid and comfort of 24/7 ā€œnewsā€ sources that incessantly drill into their heads that they are the _Righteous Victims of that Awful Democracy Stuff that is Displacing Them from their Rightful Position at the Top of the Hierarchy_. If FoxNews were made opt-in in all cable systems, it would lose legitimacy. That might help derail the White Supremacy-Autocracy train more than we currently imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/415 "2021-06-26T02:53:09Z")
A little pushback on this shitā€¦ (prolly posted elsewhere, but this was the first spot I figured it should plop) > **[Justice Department suing Georgia over state's new voting law](https://apnews.com/article/ga-state-wire-georgia-voting-rights-laws-voting-c552e88d294e5f35e2eea595177bc4b5)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) ā€” The Justice Department is suing Georgia over the state's new election law , alleging Republican state lawmakers rushed through a sweeping overhaul with an intent to deny Black voters equal access to the ballot. atta guy, (a)Merrick(a)! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/416 "2021-07-01T16:26:14Z")
Looks like McConnels court packing is finally paying off. His judges managed to fully drive a stake through the heart of the already ailing voting rights act. So long as legislation uses the magic words ā€œvoter fraudā€ and doesnā€™t explicitly state they want to disenfranchise blacks, everything is fine. > **[Supreme Court upholds restrictive Arizona voting laws in test of Voting...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-upholds-restrictive-arizona-voting-laws-test-voting-rights-n1272892)** > > "Minority groups will now have to meet a much higher standard beyond showing that a change presents a burden to voting," said Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of Califorinia, Irvine. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/417 "2021-07-01T22:02:53Z")
But wait, thereā€™s more: be one of the first 50 state governors to sign off on Jim Crow voting restrictions, and weā€™ll throw in more Supreme Court protections for anonymous ā€˜money bagsā€™ donations. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/418 "2021-07-01T22:33:10Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > If Democrats on a national level cave on voter ID, Iā€™m gonna have some re-thinking to do. Theyā€™d be idiots not to, since about 80% of Americans support Voter ID, including large majorities of Blacks and Hispanics. The Democratic party is on the wrong side of this. Hell, they are on the wrong side of _Democrats_, 50-60% of which support Voter ID. Democrats have real blind spots on some of these issues. The other day Biden referred again to ā€˜LatinXā€™ communities - a term that is almost universally hated by the people being referred to, but pushed by progressive white people. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/419 "2021-07-01T22:49:06Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > ā€¦ about 80% of Americans support Voter ID, including large majorities of Blacks and Hispanics. The Democratic party is on the wrong side of this. Hell, they are on the wrong side of _Democrats_ , 50-60% of which support Voter ID. ā€¦ The point of opposition to voter ID isnā€™t generally ā€˜we donā€™t want people to have to identify themselves in order to vote.ā€™ It is, instead, ā€˜we donā€™t want states to make it so difficult and expensive to acquire a valid ID that their rules effectively disenfranchise large demographic groups.ā€™ Iā€™d guess that youā€™d get 99% buy-in from registered Democrats on voter ID so long as states were prevented from making getting an ID nearly impossible for (for example) people whose work + commute takes up the hours from 7am to 7pm (or such) Monday through Friday, and who canā€™t afford to take off work to stand in line. Make it _impossible_ for states to say ā€˜ID may be acquired only M - F in person from 9am to 4pm and all should count on three-hour waitsā€™ or ā€˜ID may be acquired only by presenting documents that will cost the average person $200 and up to get hold ofā€™ and so on. Then Voter ID will be embraced by pretty much every Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/420 "2021-07-03T01:51:43Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > about 80% of Americans support Voter ID You need an ID to fucking register to vote. Not to vote. Not in all states, though. Is there a cite you have handy for your 80% claim [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723.md?page=22)