# The Republican War on Voting Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 11, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723 "2021-03-11T17:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/721 "2022-10-31T23:20:44Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > He is nonetheless capable of being racist and of making a bad ruling. Wow. I suppose anyone is capable of being racist. There’s simply no reason to believe that this judge is. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/722 "2022-10-31T23:26:30Z")
Well, aside from the fact that most of the people who approve of white people engaging in blatant voter intimidation are racist. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/723 "2022-10-31T23:35:34Z")
Or maybe he’d accept [this cite](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-continued-gop-efforts-to-subvert-american-elections/818668/8) from 2018? > [@I oppose continued GOP efforts to subvert American elections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-continued-gop-efforts-to-subvert-american-elections/818668/8): > > In your view, was the voter intimidation by the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia (including para-military uniforms, a billy club, and racial slurs) a problem? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/724 "2022-10-31T23:39:52Z")
The judge in question didn’t do that. Not to repeat, but he found no evidence of intimidation, and he most certainly did NOT say that “he approved of white people” engaging in such. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/725 "2022-10-31T23:41:01Z")
> [@I oppose continued GOP efforts to subvert American elections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-continued-gop-efforts-to-subvert-american-elections/818668/8): > > Or maybe he’d accept [this cite](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-continued-gop-efforts-to-subvert-american-elections/818668/8) from 2018? > > > [@I oppose continued GOP efforts to subvert American elections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-continued-gop-efforts-to-subvert-american-elections/818668/8): > > > > In your view, was the voter intimidation by the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia (including para-military uniforms, a billy club, and racial slurs) a problem? So much for, > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I don’t know anything about “the 2008 incident” to make an informed comment. Also, nice ‘whataboutism’ there D! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/726 "2022-10-31T23:43:57Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, aside from the fact that most of the people who approve of white people engaging in blatant voter intimidation are racist. Objection, assumes facts not in evidence. Have you looked at the plaintiffs request? Did they include any decent evidence of voter intimidation? Or did they just assume that dudes with guns hanging around ballot drop boxes were voter intimidation? Remember, Az is an open carry state. Dudes openly carrying guns are not uncommon. To those in states without such, guns would appear automatically to be intimidating. Judges need to see actual evidence. It appears none was submitted, however, I have not found what the plaintiffs submitted. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/727 "2022-11-01T00:37:39Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > He is nonetheless capable of being racist and of making a bad ruling. > > Wow. I suppose anyone is capable of being racist. There’s simply no reason to believe that this judge is. He’s in favor of protecting white men who intimidate voters. That’s pretty strong evidence of racism in my books ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/728 "2022-11-01T00:52:12Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The judge in question didn’t do that. Not to repeat, but he found no evidence of intimidation, and he most certainly did NOT say that “he approved of white people” engaging in such. He had the evidence of it right in front of him, and if he didn’t approve of it, he would have sanctioned the people doing it, as was his job. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/729 "2022-11-01T02:18:37Z")
> [@I oppose continued GOP efforts to subvert American elections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-continued-gop-efforts-to-subvert-american-elections/818668/8): > > Or maybe he’d accept [this cite](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-continued-gop-efforts-to-subvert-american-elections/818668/8) from 2018? > > > [@I oppose continued GOP efforts to subvert American elections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-continued-gop-efforts-to-subvert-american-elections/818668/8): > > > > In your view, was the voter intimidation by the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia (including para-military uniforms, a billy club, and racial slurs) a problem? HA! I love it when the comedy just writes itself. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/730 "2022-11-01T05:13:06Z")
What evidence, if any, was presented to the judge in court? IOW, not merely what people are saying on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/731 "2022-11-02T12:17:03Z")
The judge issued a restraining order yesterday FWIW. - Don’t go within 75 feet of a drop box. - Don’t follow people going to drop boxes. - Do not speak or yell at people going to drop boxes. - Do not openly carry a firearm or wear body armor with 250 feet of a drop box. - Do not dox people for depositing more than one ballot. - Don’t take photos or record people within 75 feet of a drop box. It also compels the group and at least one named individual to post statements on Truth Social and other places about what Arizona election law actually says, which contradicts claims that they have previously been making. Stuff like: “Any past statement that it is always illegal to deposit multiple ballots in a ballot drop box is incomplete; a family member, household member, or caregiver can legally do so.” So while I don’t know what evidence was presented, it was enough evidence to get the judge to take this action. And even if an action, such as wearing body armor is legal, it can be illegal to do it if the purpose of doing so is to intimidate people. Link to order: [DocumentCloud](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23257286-arizballotboxestro110122) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/732 "2022-11-02T12:28:45Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > …Do not openly carry a firearm or wear body armor with 250 feet of a drop box… It’s a Sign of the Times that a judge even has to say this. 🙄 _“Really? I can’t pace up and down openly ~~brandishing~~ **carrying** my legal weapon in front of voters headed to the polls? That’s a violation of MY rights!!”_ Rant-rant-rant… ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/733 "2022-11-02T12:42:12Z")
Right? A man wearing body armor, carrying a rifle, and yelling is obviously intimidating even if each of those things is legal. It’s difficult to see how someone could argue otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/734 "2022-11-02T16:45:35Z")
Give it a minute… I’m sure someone will turn up… ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/735 "2022-11-02T18:17:04Z")
No way. Who would do such a thing? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/736 "2022-11-02T22:42:40Z")
> **[Miami-Dade County Hires 3 Proud Boys As Poll Workers](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/miami-dade-proud-boys-poll-watchers_n_636281f8e4b045895a988178)** > > One of the men, facing six federal charges for storming the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, has since been reassigned. > Three men who claim to be former [Proud Boys](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/proud-boys) have been hired as poll workers in [Miami-Dade County](https://www.huffpost.com/topic/miami-dade-county) ahead of next week’s midterm elections. However, one of the men, Gabriel Garcia, has been placed on a standby list after the elections department learned he participated in the armed insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021. > > Miami-Dade poll workers are required to “be respectful of all voters” and “remain nonpartisan while at the polls,” [among other things](https://www.miamidade.gov/elections/library/instructions/poll-worker-recruitment-faq.pdf). **But it’s unclear how well the men will adhere to the stipulations.** > … My bold. Ya think? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/737 "2022-11-02T23:54:08Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Right? A man wearing body armor, carrying a rifle, and yelling is obviously intimidating even if each of those things is legal. It’s difficult to see how someone could argue otherwise. I agree this is clearly intimidation. However, not all posters in this thread would agree. For one in particular this was just fine and was protected by the 1st and 2nd Amendments. Nice to see this judge finally disagreed. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/738 "2022-11-03T12:45:19Z")
If the chief judges in a precinct are remotely competent, any partisan shenanigans by election workers will result in a quick dismissal. Like many other misinformed voters, these guys probably have no idea about how elections are administered. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/739 "2022-11-03T12:46:08Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > If the chief judges in a precinct are remotely competent, And honest and non-partisan. None of which can be assumed anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723/740 "2022-11-03T13:13:44Z")
My perspective is indeed probably swayed by my residence in Maryland, where we largely believe in fair and free elections. I can’t say enough about how committed my fellow election judges have been to the process. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republican-war-on-voting-thread/937723.md?page=38)