# The Republicans are swine cunts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481 "2005-12-01T00:27:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/161 "2005-12-02T21:15:27Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Good show. > > But why do you always need to shoot yourself in the foot? Why do you have to destroy your own credibility? Alright, replace “good” with “neccessary”. > [@](#): > > You know perfectly well that NOBODY argued torture is a good thing. NO-BO-DY. What Cheney argued (at CIA behest) that torture might be necessary in most extreme cases and thus the possibility of it can not be excluded. Well he’s a goddamn idiot then. Not only is torture not neccessary, it doesn’t even work! Then we have to complete hypocracy of employing the same tactics the people we’re calling inhuman monsters are employing. Perform a simple cost benefit analysis, it ain’t fucking worth it! > [@](#): > > Which is exactly the same thing VP Lieberman would have argued by now, but for Florida fiasco. a. We know Cheney is arguing this b. We don’t know that Liberman would had he been in his shoes c. If Lieberman had, then I’d be calling Liberman a goddamn idiot! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/162 "2005-12-02T21:18:42Z")
I’m against the action, not the individual. Replace Cheney and Bush with anyone, and I would simply replace Cheney and Bush in my rant. Doesn’t matter if they’re Dem, Pub, Libertarian, etc. See how easy that is? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/163 "2005-12-02T21:32:24Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Bush didn’t “take us back” from the crash. He’s had horrible policies in place that have spoon-fed the rich while fucking the poor (the tax cuts, etc.). **Employment has sucked mummy schlong for five years now**. The GDP growth is what you’d expect from the US–an economic powerhouse despite our inept government; at the same time, though, you’ve had increased profits for big corps while the standard of living for the bulk of Americans has improved not one iota. [Some lame-ass cite.](http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.us.htm) And let’s not forget that Katrina tried to put a dent in it. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/164 "2005-12-03T00:06:12Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > And when the good Nanny comes, you sob quitely, press your face against her ample bosom and go back to your dreams; but when the bad Nanny comes you scream and thrash about in puerile rage. Hey, quit talking about my sex life. That shit’s private. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/165 "2005-12-03T00:52:43Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > And when the good Nanny comes, you sob quitely, press your face against her ample bosom and go back to your dreams; but when the bad Nanny comes you scream and thrash about in puerile rage. Is that a quote from Lynne Cheney’s softcore novel? Or Scooter Libby’s? Or Bill O’Reilly’s phone transcripts? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/166 "2005-12-03T02:21:40Z")
Hmmm… Seem to have touched a nerve (or a gland). ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/167 "2005-12-03T02:28:30Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Hmmm… Seem to have touched a nerve (or a gland). You’re not a smart person, are you? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/168 "2005-12-03T02:57:04Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > You’re not a smart person, are you? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/169 "2005-12-03T03:16:45Z")
Goodness gracious, I’m tired of you. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/170 "2005-12-03T03:19:27Z")
Bless his heart, he means well. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/171 "2005-12-03T03:20:54Z")
Or, to quote Gracie Slick, “bless its pointed little head.” ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/172 "2005-12-03T03:23:52Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Hmmm… Seem to have touched a nerve (or a gland). Did you wash your hands afterwards, before posting? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/173 "2005-12-03T04:47:11Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > A fact of modern life is that the state is the only means by which to prevent polution, provide for transportation, and provide health care. Fighting pollution? Yes, the state is probably necessary. Provide for transportation? If you mean providing the infrastructure, yes. Providing _actual_ transportation to individuals, then no. This one’s a maybe. Providing health care? No. The state is not necessary. None of those things equal “[a] responsiblity to take care of and improve the lives of the poor and middle class”. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/174 "2005-12-03T05:34:28Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > God your post was lame–long and lame and unfunny. You really wasted your time, as the above paragraph seems to be the fibrillating heart of your response. Not really, but if that’s the piece you want to talk about, that’s ok with me. As you’re the only one to actually make an intelligent reply, I feel beholden to you. > [@](#): > > Bush didn’t “take us back” from the crash. He’s had horrible policies in place that have spoon-fed the rich while fucking the poor (the tax cuts, etc.). That’s kind of vague. Tax cuts in recessions are sound policy. They naturally benefit taxpayers; and typically those who pay more taxes. Tax cuts to the unemployed aren’t helpful economically for reasons that should be obvious. It’s not so much screwing the poor, as it is simply not helping them. A family of four needs to make about $50,000 before they pay any Federal taxes, after credits. Seeing as cutting taxes and increasing spending is basic economics for getting out of a recession, how do you propose making tax cuts that don’t benefit the wealthy tax payer? > [@](#): > > Employment has sucked mummy schlong for five years now. No. That’s just wrong. The unemployment rate is currently at 5%. [http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=1366522](http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=1366522) That’s pretty much the best in the industrial world, I think. Full employment is the unemployment rate when basically everybody who wants a job can find one. Because there is always turnover and people changing, there always jobs and people in transition. Full employment is generally considered to be arround 5-7%. So, the unemployment data suggests an economy running at high optimum. In fact, the growth signs have been so strong that the Fed has been taking steps for the last year to brake the economy so it doesn’t overheat. With all this empiric data generally available I don’t know how you come off with the statement that the economy or unemployment figures suck. They are very good. > [@](#): > > The GDP growth is what you’d expect from the US–an economic powerhouse despite our inept government; If you think GDP is right where you would expect it to be, than how do you come off saying the economy sucks? > [@](#): > > at the same time, though, you’ve had increased profits for big corps while the standard of living for the bulk of Americans has improved not one iota. Again, if the economy sucks, than where are all these huge increasing profits coming from? Your second point though is worthy of consideration. The growth in standard of living has been in steady decline for about 40 years. It’s an interesting concern, and we can have a valid and in depth discussion of it, but even you can’t blame a 40 year trend on Bush’s presidency. I’d love to see you try though. > [@](#): > > If Bush were merely incompetent, the above response would suffice. But wait, as Ron Popeil says, there’s more. Bush started a useless, strategically disastrous war that has helped to fuck the economy and the national mood. I think the war is very necessary. I don’t think your finger on the tap of the “national mood” is any more accurate than the economic acument you’ve demonstrated. That is, nonexistant. > [@](#): > > He is the anti-first term Reagan, the anti-leader in every regard. He spoke and led well directly after 9/11 (though that attack happened on his watch; he shares part of the blame), and the Afganistan war was justified and handled well (at first). > > Are there good Republicans? Of course. In local politics, party affiliation often means nothing. But in national politics the party might as well rename itself the Fascist Party. The exceptions to this (and they are out there, God love 'em) are more and more forced to vote like fascists because of the highly effective goosestepping the party enforces. > > Look, Bush has gone from the shittiest possible president imaginable in Nov. '04 to beyond shitty. I gotta hand it to the guy, he never fails to surprise with how deep he goes. Not content with the deep sea, this fucker’s down in the magma and plans to drill through the nickel core of the planet. > > He is nuts. He is flailing. He is discredited and shamed. But still he offers the press and people the selfsame disingenous palaver. If he were just doing it cynically, Machiavelianly, that were bad enough. But the fucker doesn’t even know that his shit ain’t selling! > > And he is surrounded by some of the scariest, evilest dudes since the Nixon Administration. But wait a second, a lot of these dudes were _in_ the Nixon administration (Cheney, Rumsfeld)! > > Hey, we can argue about whether Reagan was a good president (I’d say in his first term he was good for the country on balance, disastrous for the most part in his second), or even whether Nixon did some good things (he did, and even a lot of good, _liberal_ things). I will give credit to Bush for good leadership for about the first 6 months after 9/11. His speeches were excellent, he responsibly and astutely avoided make the issue about Islam, and the war against the Taliban was well and economically executed. My Pet Goat aside, mind you. > > But, aside from that inspired time, he has been an unmitigated disaster for the country. I also am less apt to give him credit for his handling of 9/11, since my guess is that it would not even have happened with a real leader like Gore in office. > > And the Republican party now is not Reagan’s party of the 1980s, nor even Gingrich’s party of the early 1990s. It now far right, theocratic, and hard-core scary. It is not only abdicating its responsiblity to take care of and improve the lives of the poor and middle class, it is proactively fucking them with a spiked metal rod in every orifice possible. In short, it is trashing the country. My only regret in calling members of the party “swine cunts” is that the name just doesn’t express my hatred quite well enough. Well, you’re free to editorialize. Personally, I think people that going around labelling whole groups as swine cunts are some pretty ignorant and malicious motherfuckers. When someone like An Arky goes around saying that we’re no better than the terrorists, I know I’m dealing with a real moron. The **only** thing the terrorists and our enemies have going for them is the wingnut left. It’s their only asset. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/175 "2005-12-03T05:46:12Z")
**Ukelele Ike** Hey you incompetant dipshit, in post 123 **lonesome loser** is making fun of my name. As you should know from the Libertarian/Liberaltarian fiasco, deliberately misspelling a poster’s name to ridicule is against the board rules. Why don’t you do me a favor, and get off your cowardly drive-by ass, do your job, and warn the puppy? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/176 "2005-12-03T06:01:22Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > …The **only** thing the terrorists and our enemies have going for them is the wingnut left. It’s their only asset. There’s another. There is an administration so enamored of being chest-beating bad asses that they alienate potential allies. People who ought to be ethusiasticly on our side are luke-warm, because we behave like imperial assholes. The people we killed in Fallujah the other day weren’t our enemies five years ago. They are now. They are our enemies as a result of our own ham-fisted determination to assert our will, regardless. Power corrupts, and it also apparently endumbens. So you show surprising wisdom when you seperate the groups, the terrorists and our enemies. We had the terrorists already, and now we have our enemies. Didn’t have to be that way. But it is now. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/177 "2005-12-03T06:02:55Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > The only thing the terrorists and our enemies have going for them is the wingnut left. It’s their only asset. You make a semi-intelligent response to a part of Aeschines post, and then you end it with this. How disappointing! Not only is this the very sort of hyperbole you earlier decried, it’s an exaggeration of a false claim. Even if they are entirely wrong in their criticisms, Americans talking about Bush’s mistakes is not an asset to terrorists. But, they aren’t entirely wrong. Iraq, for example, is a fantastic recruiting tool for jihadists; you might not know this since you apparently don’t follow the news, but the main reason OBL and associates attacked us was because of resentment over US bases in the middle east–do you think building more bases will make more people join that cause, or fewer? Of course, this argument might be mitigated if we were battling these terrorists in Iraq. But since foreign fighters account for a few percent of the insurgency, we’re only battling the new terrorists we create. One last point. Since you apparently believe in the Bush doctrine, you must also believe that the left’s aid and comfort of the terrorists makes them equal to the terrorists. Which, of course, makes you guilty the “we’re no better than the terrorists”-style argument which you just said let’s you know you’re dealing with a moron. I don’t think you’re a moron, for what it’s worth, so you should think more highly of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/178 "2005-12-03T06:04:16Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > **Ukelele Ike** > > Hey you incompetant dipshit, in post 123 **lonesome loser** is making fun of my name. As you should know from the Libertarian/Liberaltarian fiasco, deliberately misspelling a poster’s name to ridicule is against the board rules. Link please? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/179 "2005-12-03T06:16:05Z")
> [@Richard Parker](#): > > You make a semi-intelligent response to a part of Aeschines post, and then you end it with this. How disappointing! Semi-intelligent? Why semi? What fault do you find with the rest of it, that it’s only semi-intelligent? > [@](#): > > Not only is this the very sort of hyperbole you earlier decried, it’s an exaggeration of a false claim. Even if they are entirely wrong in their criticisms, Americans talking about Bush’s mistakes is not an asset to terrorists. But, they aren’t entirely wrong. Iraq, for example, is a fantastic recruiting tool for jihadists; you might not know this since you apparently don’t follow the news, but the main reason OBL and associates attacked us was because of resentment over US bases in the middle east–do you think building more bases will make more people join that cause, or fewer? Of course, this argument might be mitigated if we were battling these terrorists in Iraq. But since foreign fighters account for a few percent of the insurgency, we’re only battling the new terrorists we create. First off, this we “create” terrorists meme is a load of crap. They’re responsible for their own actions. Secondly, the idea of the wingnut left being the insurgents greatest ally is pretty unimpeachable. Terrorism does not seek to win through military victory. It’s a PR and morale battle. It’s on record that the Vietnamese consider the protestor’s their greatest ally. By what crazy logic do you assume that the protests currently occur only in a vaccum? The terrorists gained credibility and their cause was served by what happened in Abu Grahib. The reporting of this was factual, true, and responsible. Because of this the blame falls on those who committed the abuse, not those who reported it. It is right and proper to criticize. It is right and proper to report atrocities. What is wrong to do is to make them up or hyperbolize them. Once that is being done one is no longer serving truth one is only serving the cause of the enemies. Doing so, whether maliciously or irresponsibly is treason the way I see it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481/180 "2005-12-03T06:18:36Z")
> [@Richard Parker](#): > > … so you should think more highly of yourself. Does self-esteem have a theoretical limit, like neutron density? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-republicans-are-swine-cunts/333481.md?page=10)