# The Research Is In: Pubbies Are Born That Way! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087 "2007-04-21T18:24:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2007, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/21 "2007-04-21T23:12:42Z")
Now, look, **Starkers** , if all of the admiration and awe you inspire were to burst onto the board all at once, the tubes would overflow and the hamsters would croak. Plus, you’d have to add more kerosene to your modem… ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2007, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/22 "2007-04-21T23:19:29Z")
[QUOTE=duffer] Great thread. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Look **duffer** : [Saddam’s WMD bunkers](http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/29092/i-found-saddams-wmd-bunkers.thtml) Shiny Shiny Shiny! With this news, no one will dis you for less than perfect dishes. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2007, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/23 "2007-04-21T23:43:30Z")
> [@Denis](#): > > Wow. **elucudator** responded to my joke appropriately. **Starving** , not so much. > > (hit return on last edit) > > eta to add: carry on, and damn dude! don’t be so bloody thin-skinned. Sorry. My comments were based on past experience, which has evidently caused me to misinterpret the intent of your remark. So it’s all good, and I apologize. 🙂 Besides, who the hell’s funny as **luci**!? _I’m_ not gonna try! ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/24 "2007-04-21T23:48:52Z")
It’s all good, **SA**. And yes, **'luci** is hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/25 "2007-04-22T01:26:42Z")
Didn’t the Nazi scientists prove that jews were inferior? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/26 "2007-04-22T01:29:26Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] Didn’t the Nazi scientists prove that jews were inferior? [/QUOTE] Well, yeah, but they were _Nazi_ scientists. The scientific method was disregarded by them as being too tainted by semites. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/27 "2007-04-22T01:38:09Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] Didn’t the Nazi scientists prove that jews were inferior? [/QUOTE] Godwin is dead. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/28 "2007-04-22T01:40:40Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] Didn’t the Nazi scientists prove that jews were inferior? [/QUOTE] IIRC, Nazi theory held that Jews are genetically **superior,** in intelligence and ability, but also genetically evil and parasitic on true “culture-builders” such as Aryans. Hitler, I’ve read, respected the Jews as “negative supermen.” Let them move into any country, soon they’ll be running everything from behind the scenes. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/29 "2007-04-22T01:40:53Z")
And Godwin said, **elucidator** is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/30 "2007-04-22T01:45:48Z")
Isn’t the flip-side of this research that liberals are genetically incapable of managing even their own homes and offices? It seems like a good spin-doctor could coat the airwaves with all kinds of conclusions based on this. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/31 "2007-04-22T09:50:14Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] I’m not broke, I’m financially challenged! 🙂 [/QUOTE] And as long as you remain liberal, you will be. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/32 "2007-04-22T18:22:39Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] And as long as you remain liberal, you will be. 🆒 [/QUOTE] I’ll be sure to pass that along to George Soros . . . ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/33 "2007-04-23T05:04:41Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] Is that actually true, at least within the current structure of U.S. politics? you dismiss both of the major parties, but be honest, what typically describes a “conservative” in the USA - libertarian leanings, or Christian conservatism? [/QUOTE] Depends, conservative has unfortunately become almost a catch-all term. So many different people with so many drastically different political ideologies have been labeled “conservative” or “liberal” both words have little meaning if you’re talking about typical public perception. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/34 "2007-04-23T05:08:30Z")
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde] Depends, conservative has unfortunately become almost a catch-all term. So many different people with so many drastically different political ideologies have been labeled “conservative” or “liberal” both words have little meaning if you’re talking about typical public perception. [/QUOTE] Nevertheless, in terms of the post-Goldwater American conservative movement, the word does mean [something.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7773797&highlight=wooldridge#post7773797) Not anything of value, but something definite nevertheless. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/35 "2007-04-23T11:40:41Z")
I’m always a little surprised at how strong a reaction is raised against the idea that there may be personality attributes associated with political ideology. I’ve pointed out the research that finds associations between authoritarian personality and conservative political orientation a few times in the past. The data is there. Make of the data what you will, but spitballing your own ideas does not equate to data. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/36 "2007-04-23T13:29:10Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] I’ve pointed out the research that finds associations between authoritarian personality and conservative political orientation a few times in the past. The data is there. [/QUOTE] May I ask what your sources are? My ex did research that found this very thing. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/37 "2007-04-23T14:08:15Z")
Is it reasonable to conclude that those whose poltical philosphy “evolved” to the point they changed their self-identified affiliation suffer from schizophrenic or MPD? ---
**Author:** ![TroubleAgain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e480ec/32.png) [@TroubleAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroubleAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/38 "2007-04-23T16:59:30Z")
I’m sorry, I just have to say that I keep reading the thread title as “Puppies Are Born That Way” and think to myself, “Well, duh, what’d you think, they were born kittens?” ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/39 "2007-04-23T17:36:12Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] May I ask what your sources are? My ex did research that found this very thing. [/QUOTE] I haven’t taken the time to find the post(s) I was referring to. IIRC, it was one of those posts that led to me coining what has been referred to as Hentor the Barbarian’s rule of post composition, or some such thing. I spent a while on PsycInfo and Medline, put it together in a post, and… bupkis. Nobody cares from data when there are opinions to be foisted. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087/40 "2007-04-23T17:38:53Z")
[QUOTE=JohnBckWLD] Is it reasonable to conclude that those whose poltical philosphy “evolved” to the point they changed their self-identified affiliation suffer from schizophrenic or MPD? [/QUOTE] I don’t see why it would be. Features or aspects of one’s personality shouldn’t be confused with one’s identity, nor with the hallucinations, delusions and negative symptoms of schizophrenia (which itself is quite different from Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly known prior to 1994 as Multiple Personality Disorder). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-research-is-in-pubbies-are-born-that-way/401087.md?page=3)