# The Rick Perry for President Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 14, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720 "2011-08-14T20:51:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/21 "2011-08-15T01:41:50Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > But do go on posting additional links, **considering THAT’S what this thread is FOR**. This is a discussion forum and all of the other threads about specific candidates are to _discuss the candidate_, _criticize/bash the candidate_, discuss election strategy, things of that nature. Some part of that will be the posting of links, sure, and news items. I don’t think this message board needs a thread that is just you posting Rick Perry links, though. Last I checked Google News, Bing News, or 100 other aggregators can do a much more efficient job of that than you can. I thought it was pretty much understood due to ancient laws of common sense that if you’re posting news articles anywhere on the SDMB it is because you want other people to discuss them with you. Sometimes that might even involve someone saying “those articles aren’t really very interesting and don’t really say much of value.” If you just want this thread to be a news aggregator for Rick Perry then I’ll just stay away from it, I use Google Reader for my news aggregation. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/22 "2011-08-15T01:59:16Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Perry is too phony even for the Tea Party. His pandering speeches are supported by coached gestures that are never in synch with the text. It’s like watching a TV re-run where the sound is screwed up. > > Bachmann may be crazy as a bat, but she’s real. > > Crane I have the exact opposite take. I think Bachmann has gotten a lot of press but she will ultimately be a minor player in all of this. I think she may be _less_ than Howard Dean in terms of importance in this election. Bachmann comes off almost as a caricature candidate, Perry just seems more mainstream in his actions and manner. That’s what makes Perry kind of unsettling to me, he has that veneer of being a mainstream politician, reinforced by him holding major office for over a decade, in reality I think he’s the most extreme candidate and the most dangerous in terms of what would become of the country if he were President. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/23 "2011-08-15T02:13:53Z")
I agree that this thread should consist of more than one person posting Rick Perry links. So I’ll post some. [Governor Contradiction Makes His Case](http://www.burntorangereport.com/): > [@](#): > > Some describe the Texas Miracle as a low-tax and low-regulatory economic climate that spurred job growth - primarily from high tech companies moving to the state. Even though population growth has outpaced that figure and the state unemployment rate is just one point lower than the national average. > > Others describe the Texas Miracle as amazement that the state is still standing after a $27 billion budget deficit, among the worst in the nation. Or with the worst high school graduation rate in America, it’d be a miracle if any of the residents here could actually get some of those high tech jobs. Another article at The Burnt Orange Report asked for readers to chime in with their choices for [Perry’s Worst](http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/11294/we-cant-let-rick-perry-do-to-america-what-hes-done-to-texas). > [@](#): > > Just this year, Gov. Perry signed into law a bill requiring that a woman seeking abortion care undergo an ultrasound–even if she does not want one, and even if her doctor does not recommend it. Then, the doctor must play the heartbeat while describing the fetus to the woman. If the doctor doesn’t do this he or she could face losing their medical license. The bill also requires a woman to wait 24 hours after the sonogram before receiving an abortion, effectively making every woman make two trips to the clinic. Not an easy feat for the women who live in the 93% of Texas counties that don’t have an abortion provider. Discussion? As a Texan, I know these things to be true. And they don’t make me happy. I’ve posted other Perry stuff in the other threads in this forum & the one in The Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/24 "2011-08-15T02:18:38Z")
+1 **Bridget Burke**. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/25 "2011-08-15T02:19:45Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > … most of the stuff posted by the OP is more or less meaningless drivel, misrepresented, or outright bullshit. It’s OK, she does the same thing to leftists who admit a dissatisfaction with Obama, only it’s from a different pile of manure. Perry is a dangerous candidate for the Republican Party. He’s very likely to be capable of knocking off Romney in the primaries, and once his actual views are on commercials every night for three months, he’s dead meat nationally, and he’s not going to reflect well on the party that nominated him. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/26 "2011-08-15T02:23:39Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Discussion? As a Texan, I know these things to be true. And they don’t make me happy. > > I’ve posted other Perry stuff in the other threads in this forum & the one in The Pit. How has Perry been continuously returned to office? He seems to have enthusiastic support but based on what I’ve seen he’s so divisive even many Texas Republicans oppose him. You would think the disaffected Texas Republicans + the Democrats in Texas would represent a big enough portion of the population to have ended this guy’s political career years ago. Something I read the other day by a Texas politician was that when George W. Bush ran for President, he said that when Bush he knew Texas Democratic party power brokers who actually helped and worked with the Bush campaign because he was so popular and had always been a great governor to work with. This same politician said that there won’t be a single Democrat in Texas working for Rick Perry. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/27 "2011-08-15T02:40:24Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > How has Perry been continuously returned to office? He lucked out in having elections in two cycles that were really good years for the GOP (2002 and 2010) and in 2006 having the opposition split between three candidates (letting him win with only 40% of the vote in his favor). ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/28 "2011-08-15T03:00:44Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Perry is a dangerous candidate for the Republican Party. He’s very likely to be capable of knocking off Romney in the primaries, and once his actual views are on commercials every night for three months, he’s dead meat nationally, and he’s not going to reflect well on the party that nominated him. Shush! You go, Rick. GOP—choose him. A Demcrat’s dream. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/29 "2011-08-15T03:08:49Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > How has Perry been continuously returned to office? He seems to have enthusiastic support but based on what I’ve seen he’s so divisive even many Texas Republicans oppose him. Well, except that he stomped the shit out of a more moderate Hutchison in the 2010 Republican primary, in a race in which an avowed Tea Party candidate got a noticeable part of the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/30 "2011-08-15T03:45:50Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > STOP imputing motives to me. Just. Fucking. Stop. **Shayna** , cool it. The two of you agree that Perry would be a bad president, you’re just disagreeing about which facts and cites prove that point. > [@Frank](#): > > It’s OK, she does the same thing to leftists who admit a dissatisfaction with Obama, only it’s from a different pile of manure. In the future please save this kind of thing for the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/31 "2011-08-15T04:11:48Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Shayna** , cool it. The two of you agree that Perry would be a bad president, you’re just disagreeing about which facts and cites prove that point. No, I won’t cool it. He’s been personally attacking me in this thread all day but you choose _me_ to chastise? [disallowed expletive] you. Go ahead, warn me. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/32 "2011-08-15T04:18:17Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, except that he stomped the shit out of a more moderate Hutchison in the 2010 Republican primary, in a race in which an avowed Tea Party candidate got a noticeable part of the vote. That’s true, the claim that Perry is a tax and spend Republican was put forward by a Texas GOP group but in terms of raw voters the Texas GOP could be fairly united behind Perry. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/33 "2011-08-15T04:51:05Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > [disallowed expletive] you. > > Go ahead, warn me. I have other options at my disposal, so your account is suspended for 24 hours. The next time I screw up, you have several acceptable ways to tell me how bad a job I’m doing. You can send me a message by email or PM or start a thread in ATMB about how much I suck. The above is not an option. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/34 "2011-08-15T10:28:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > start a thread in ATMB about how much I suck. Cool. I didn’t know we could do this. I’ll be over this option. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/35 "2011-08-15T11:05:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > In the future please save this kind of thing for the Pit. Very well. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/36 "2011-08-15T11:29:26Z")
The truth is, even as bad as Obama’s doing, it seems likely that he’s going to beat whomever the GOP puts out there (some current polling notwithstanding; that’s going to settle out by next year). Every single one of the GOP crop has flaws that consign them to the Island of Misfit Toys, and none of them have the kind of broad appeal that will win the general election. Actually, Huntsman has the most sense of the bunch, but he’s going nowhere fast. I think **Martin Hyde** ’s right in that the GOP needs to rebrand; they need to lose the angry/scary/hyper-religious crowd and try to build a different, more sensible, centrist coalition. Not that I want them to do that, since I’m a Democrat. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/37 "2011-08-15T11:54:52Z")
Paul Burka is Senior Executive Editor at Texas Monthly. Many of his recent blog posts have to do with Perry & are worth reading if for those who are interested. In response to[Time Magazine’s piece](http://swampland.time.com/2011/08/09/rick-perry-changes-the-rules/) on how Perry is changing the rules in politics by avoiding the Iowa straw poll, he explained: > [@](#): > > Dear Time: Welcome to our world. This is what Perry has always done — exactly what he wants to do. Since he will not officially be a candidate on the day of the poll (depending upon when he announces), and because he had no chance to win the poll, he just bypassed Iowa altogether. As Time‘s Amy Sullivan described it, Perry threw the media into a tizzy because they didn’t know whether to stay in Iowa or go to South Carolina. The Republican field is about to learn another thing about Perry. When he does something outrageous, like “The Response,” injecting, by his very presence, politics into a religious event, it won’t stick. He broke the rules and got away with it. Perry is Teflon. Don’t ask me why. I don’t know. He just is. Nothing sticks to him. I think “The Response” was terrible. It was classic Perry: a divider, not a uniter. Perry exploited religion in the most pandering way. And he got away with it, even though one aspect of the event was a failure: He invited all of his fellow governors and not one showed up. He is going to drive the rest of the wannabes crazy, just as he drove Hutchison and Bill White crazy. Everybody is waiting for the national media to go after Perry. You watch: he’ll drive them crazy too. He’s a shit governor but a good campaigner. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/38 "2011-08-15T12:51:04Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Are folks in the Obama camp really worried about Perry? Not that worried. But I see your call and raise you “How can Gore, dull has he is, possibly lose to a nothing like Bush?” -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/39 "2011-08-15T13:17:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Merijeek > Quote: > Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0 View Post > Are folks in the Obama camp really worried about Perry? > Not that worried. But I see your call and raise you “How can Gore, dull has he is, possibly lose to a nothing like Bush?” > > -Joe Maybe they should be worried: > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Paul Burka is Senior Executive Editor at Texas Monthly. Many of his recent blog posts have to do with Perry & are worth reading if for those who are interested. In response to[Time Magazine’s piece](http://swampland.time.com/2011/08/09/rick-perry-changes-the-rules/) on how Perry is changing the rules in politics by avoiding the Iowa straw poll, he explained: > > He’s a shit governor but a good campaigner. As president, Obama’s been a go by the book, play by the rules type of guy, to his detriment, it appears. Perry seems to understand that sometimes you can win the game by not playing, or by blatantly breaking the rules and daring the ref to call you on it. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/40 "2011-08-15T13:21:29Z")
I don’t put much stock in any politician any more. It really is remarkable, though, that this thread (and media coverage) offers plenty of vitriol and reasons why Obama supporters would hate, hate hate a President Perry. But nothing so far (AFAI can see) why the general electorate should decide against Perry and allow him to beat the sad self-defeating limp noodle that Obama has become. And Shayna’s record-breaking ascent to Donald Duckville is a sight to behold. If this is the best you can do, Perry is going to be president, no doubt about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720.md?page=3)