# The Rick Perry for President Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 14, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720 "2011-08-14T20:51:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/61 "2011-08-16T01:37:19Z")
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde;14140669Executive experience is an argument Perry could have made in 2008; but the assumption in my opinion is always that an incumbent President essentially has a monopoly come election time on _most relevant executive experience_ in terms of holding the Presidency. The only example where this would not have been true is when Grover Cleveland defeated incumbent President Benjamin Harrison in 1892. In that singular case the challenger and the incumbent President had equal experience with the Presidency.[/QUOTE] Well, the last time we elected a Governor of Texas as President, it turned out to be a disaster. And the last time we elected a sitting US President as President it also turned out to be a disaster. Seems like awash to me. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/62 "2011-08-16T12:57:19Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL\_HRH8DyqE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL_HRH8DyqE) > Gv. Goodhair thinks the government should suspend all regulations. Do you have a cite where Perry says the government should suspend all regulations? Here’s a hint - your cite does not say this. The lefties are getting lazy - your accusations are either stupid or outright false. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/63 "2011-08-16T14:10:35Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Do you have a cite where Perry says the government should suspend all regulations? Here’s a hint - your cite does not say this. > > The lefties are getting lazy - your accusations are either stupid or outright false. > > Regards, > Shodan [Yesterday’s news:](http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/08/15/296314/perry-reveals-plan-for-total-u-s-anarchy-put-a-moratorium-on-all-regulations/) > [@](#): > > Today, Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) issued the first policy position of his presidential campaign by asking the White House to issue a “moratorium on regulations across this country”: > > > [@](#): > > > > We’re calling today on the president of the United States to put a moratorium on regulations across this country, because his regulations, his EPA regulations are killing jobs all across America. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/64 "2011-08-16T14:41:51Z")
Apparently reality is either stupid or outright false. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/65 "2011-08-16T14:51:02Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > [Yesterday’s news:](http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/08/15/296314/perry-reveals-plan-for-total-u-s-anarchy-put-a-moratorium-on-all-regulations/) > > You’re welcome. Do you have a cite where Perry called for suspending all regulations? Here’s a hint - your cite does not say this. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/66 "2011-08-16T15:13:20Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Do you have a cite where Perry called for suspending all regulations? Here’s a hint - your cite does not say this. > > Regards, > Shodan I’m impressed that you can simultaneously adopt such a smug and condescending tone while also being embarrassingly and transparently wrong. All one needs do is click on the link. Further evidence is found by watching the video of Perry saying exactly that he is calling on President Obama to put a moratorium on all federal regulations. For the impaired, Perry even puts extreme verbal stress on the word “all.” I await **Shodan’s** explicit acknowledgement of having been completely wrong. I doubt there will be any apology expressed for the rude tone, or any hint of shame, but hope springs eternal. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/67 "2011-08-16T15:31:08Z")
Shame is bleeding heart liberal, SWPL stuff. Gangsta righties don’t play that shit. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/68 "2011-08-16T15:56:34Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I’m impressed that you can simultaneously adopt such a smug and condescending tone while also being embarrassingly and transparently wrong. I’m not wrong. > [@](#): > > All one needs do is click on the link. Further evidence is found by watching the video of Perry saying exactly that he is calling on President Obama to put a moratorium on all federal regulations. For the impaired, Perry even puts extreme verbal stress on the word “all.” I watched the video. Perry does not call for the suspension of all regulations, which is what was claimed. > [@](#): > > I await **Shodan’s** explicit acknowledgement of having been completely wrong. I am not wrong. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/69 "2011-08-16T16:01:36Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Gangsta righties don’t play that shit. Much like their gangsta brethren [they also don’t like to pay for their chilluns.](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/28/999847/-The-Party-of-Deadbeat-Dads) -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/70 "2011-08-16T16:50:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m not wrong. > I watched the video. Perry does not call for the suspension of all regulations, which is what was claimed. > I am not wrong. > > Regards, > Shodan [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/bL_HRH8DyqE/maxresdefault.jpg "Rick Perry: 'Moratorium On All Regulations'") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL_HRH8DyqE) I’ve listened to this three times. He clearly says that they are asking President Obama “…to put a moratorium on \*\*all \*\* regulations…” (emphasis is Perry’s) To paraphrase Karl Rove, you’re entitled to your English language, but not to the English language. If “moratorium on all regulations” means something other than “moratorium on all regulations,” please do stop being so cagey and keeping us in suspense. Tell us what the words really do mean! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/71 "2011-08-16T17:08:55Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > If “moratorium on all regulations” means something other than “moratorium on all regulations,” please do stop being so cagey and keeping us in suspense. Tell us what the words really do mean! Do you have a cite for what was claimed? It’s a rhetorical question, since you don’t. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/72 "2011-08-16T17:15:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Do you have a cite for what was claimed? > > It’s a rhetorical question, since you don’t. > > Regards, > Shodan Unless your caginess is hinging on a distinction between “suspending” and putting a “moratorium on”, I have no idea what you’re on about. Since you cannot express your meaning in words, the cited evidence speaks for itself. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/73 "2011-08-16T17:16:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m not wrong. > I watched the video. Perry does not call for the suspension of all regulations, which is what was claimed. > I am not wrong. > > Regards, > Shodan Well, you appear wrong. Do you have a longer transcript of the interview that gives more context on his remarks? At best, Perry misspoke. He’s on record as asking for a six-month moratorium on [all \* new \* Federal regulations](http://amerpundit.com/2011/08/15/perry-to-obama-freeze-all-new-federal-regulation/), and he might (charitably) be interpreted to have meant that. Although, unless there’s some immensely crippling regulation coming down the pike, that’s unlikely to do anything useful. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/74 "2011-08-16T17:46:20Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Well, you appear wrong. I’m not. > [@](#): > > He’s on record as asking for a six-month moratorium on [all \* new \* Federal regulations](http://amerpundit.com/2011/08/15/perry-to-obama-freeze-all-new-federal-regulation/), and he might (charitably) be interpreted to have meant that. This is what makes these kinds of things so ridiculous. You all know perfectly well what he was saying. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/75 "2011-08-16T18:08:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m not. > This is what makes these kinds of things so ridiculous. You all know perfectly well what he was saying. > > Regards, > Shodan If that’s what you think he was saying, you could have cited it rather than repetitively saying “I’m not wrong” which is the kind of argument style a four year old uses when trying to get out of taking a bath. Without the context of knowing about Perry’s proposal, the listener has no choice but to assume that he’s making a proposal of disastrous proportions instead of simply a naive feel-good proposition that would accomplish little or nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Plumbkrazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Plumbkrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumbkrazy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/76 "2011-08-16T18:43:34Z")
Texas is such a shithole that an opponent of Perry’s need only point that out to defeat the six-shooter carrying dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/77 "2011-08-16T20:07:48Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Without the context of knowing about Perry’s proposal, the listener has no choice but to assume that he’s making a proposal of disastrous proportions instead of simply a naive feel-good proposition that would accomplish little or nothing. Not if they have any sense, they don’t. **gonzo** claimed Perry wanted to suspend all regulations. That’s obviously horse shit. Perry does not say that in the link. **Hentor** and the others claim he did. They are wrong. Suspending regulations is not the same thing as declaring a moratorium on new ones. Everyone knows that. The ridiculous thing is how many people denied it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/78 "2011-08-16T20:34:58Z")
“Suspending” and “declaring a moratorium” are the same thing. In the link he did not specify NEW regulations. In fact, he very emphatically said “ALL” regulations. Coming to the conclusion you have, based on the link, requires you to put words in Perry’s mouth. Knowing he made a similar earlier statement, but specified new regulations, can lead you to the conclusion that that’s what he meant in the video, but it’s not the only conclusion. He may have changed his position. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/79 "2011-08-16T22:15:36Z")
In the spirit of not bashing Perry for stuff he probably doesn’t actually support (I think it’s **far** more important to focus on the things he clearly does support) I’ve spent some time looking this quote up and virtually every link on google goes back to either ThinkProgress or [TreeHugger.org](http://TreeHugger.org), with no context available outside of that 23 second clip. So maybe Perry really is saying, legitimately, 100% of all Federal regulations should be halted. However if that is the case I’m curious as to why this is essentially single source (every place I’ve went to in the first few pages of Google all go back to the same video clip with no context) and why no further elaboration is available anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/80 "2011-08-16T22:23:23Z")
[Here](http://thegazette.com/2011/08/16/gov-rick-perry-stops-in-cedar-rapids/) is an article with a video of Perry speaking, this went down today (I believe the previous video with Perry in a radio booth of some kind happened on Monday) and he seems to make it clear he’s talking about a 6 month moratorium on new Federal regulations. That’s stupid enough in and of itself that we don’t need to play a gotcha game and claim he wants to shut down the FDA entirely or anything like that (he actually **may** want that, and I imagine his argument would be the States should regulate those things, but he doesn’t appear to have taken that position officially.) Blanket statements like “moratorium on new Federal regulations for 6 months” is basically akin to the Balance Budget Amendment. It’s really clever sounding to simple people that don’t understand how complex and unpredictable governing is, government can’t operate with limitations like that and it’s stupid to think _it should_. An even more startling example of Perryism was his calling Ben Bernanke a traitor: [link](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/16/rick-perry-ben-bernanke-treasonous), the Federal Reserve Chairman is supposed to be semi-politically independent. That’s why their terms are so long, it’s generally not considered fair play to go after one of them with political cheap shots and really just shows Perry’s immaturity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720.md?page=5)