# The Rick Perry for President Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 14, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720 "2011-08-14T20:51:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/81 "2011-08-16T23:00:34Z")
Gene Simmons is tweeting: “Gov Perry worked for Al Gore and then switched to Republican. He will be our next President. I’ve never been wrong.” Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/82 "2011-08-16T23:09:47Z")
Why would Gene Simmons’ thoughts on politics be interesting? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/83 "2011-08-16T23:16:19Z")
'Cause he’s a smart guy and apparently never been wrong in predicting presidential elections. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/84 "2011-08-16T23:30:01Z")
I have seen no support for either of those claims. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/85 "2011-08-16T23:40:27Z")
Then you just haven’t been looking. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/86 "2011-08-17T00:00:51Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Gene Simmons is tweeting: “Gov Perry worked for Al Gore and then switched to Republican. He will be our next President. I’ve never been wrong.” > > Interesting. I’m assuming he means, President in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/87 "2011-08-17T01:45:01Z")
Is Perry in favor of replacing the Constitution with the Articles of Confederation? Just asking. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/88 "2011-08-17T01:47:57Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Not if they have any sense, they don’t. **gonzo** claimed Perry wanted to suspend all regulations. That’s obviously horse shit. Perry does not say that in the link. **Hentor** and the others claim he did. They are wrong. > > Suspending regulations is not the same thing as declaring a moratorium on new ones. Everyone knows that. The ridiculous thing is how many people denied it. > > Regards, > Shodan [http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/08/rick-perry-moratorium-all-regulations.php](http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/08/rick-perry-moratorium-all-regulations.php) And it was not the only time . Here is another. But a moraitorium in SHODANLAND is apparently not a stoppage. It is something different. It is whatever SHODAN wants it to be. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/89 "2011-08-17T02:26:26Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Is Perry in favor of replacing the Constitution with the Articles of Confederation? Just asking. I think he wouldn’t say that openly, but the totality of his stances is actually suggestive of a Federal government weaker than it was in 1789 when the Constitution was signed. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/90 "2011-08-17T05:12:38Z")
I haven’t seen this mentioned yet, but Perry is on video essentially threatening Ben Bernanke, saying that it would be treasonous if he prints more money, and that if he came down to Texas people would know how to deal with him. I’ve got to say that this is one of the most reckless, undisciplined, stupid things I’ve heard a serious Presidential candidate say. It violates the principle of the separation of the Fed from politics, it coarsens the debate, it shows that Perry is either ignorant of the basics of the banking system or he knows how it works and he’s issuing threats to a guy just trying to do his job for political purposes. As far as my rhetorical support goes, he’s dug himself a damned big hole and he’s going to have to be amazing from here on out for me to be able to get over that. I hope the Republicans find a better candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/91 "2011-08-17T06:00:18Z")
> [@C3](#): > > “Suspending” and “declaring a moratorium” are the same thing. In the link he did not specify NEW regulations. Damn you! You are making me side with **Shodan**!!! I read the quote in the cite and immediately thought he meant no new regulations, not suspending the existing ones. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/92 "2011-08-17T12:25:01Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Damn you! You are making me side with **Shodan**!!! > > I read the quote in the cite and immediately thought he meant no new regulations, not suspending the existing ones. Okay, but you assumed that - that’s not what Perry said. Maybe you’d read his earlier statement somewhere and had that tucked away in your subconscious. My point is that it’s a reasonable conclusion for you to have drawn - but it’s also a reasonable conclusion - _based on Perry’s words_ - that he meant all regulations. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/93 "2011-08-17T13:08:27Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I haven’t seen this mentioned yet, but Perry is on video essentially threatening Ben Bernanke, saying that it would be treasonous if he prints more money, and that if he came down to Texas people would know how to deal with him. > > I’ve got to say that this is one of the most reckless, undisciplined, stupid things I’ve heard a serious Presidential candidate say. It violates the principle of the separation of the Fed from politics, it coarsens the debate, it shows that Perry is either ignorant of the basics of the banking system or he knows how it works and he’s issuing threats to a guy just trying to do his job for political purposes. > > As far as my rhetorical support goes, he’s dug himself a damned big hole and he’s going to have to be amazing from here on out for me to be able to get over that. > > I hope the Republicans find a better candidate. While I knew he was destined to soon make a fool of himself, I’d hoped he wouldn’t try and drag the rest of us along with him, especially when he first got nowhere near a majority of the state’s vote. But last night when I saw this my disgust with him reached new lows. He’s an idiot with delusions of grandeur. I think he’s in for a national dressing down the likes of which has not been seen for a very, very long time. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/94 "2011-08-17T16:01:22Z")
**Shodan** , you do realize, do you not, that we can all look at that video, and see for ourselves what Perry said, regardless of your claims that he didn’t say it? Because it doesn’t do much for your credibility when you say things like that, with the counterevidence so easily available. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/95 "2011-08-17T16:25:19Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Shodan** , you do realize, do you not, that we can all look at that video, and see for ourselves what Perry said, regardless of your claims that he didn’t say it? Because it doesn’t do much for your credibility when you say things like that, with the counterevidence so easily available. If you watch the video, and decide that Perry called for the suspension of all federal regulations (as\*\* gonzomax\*\* claimed he did), there is nothing I can do about that. The trouble is, he didn’t say that. A moratorium on new regulation is not the same thing as calling for the suspension of all regulations. These are not the same thing. You can insist they are until you are blue in the face. They aren’t. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/96 "2011-08-17T16:29:41Z")
It’s become clear to me that **Shodan** is engaging in this obfuscation and weaseling regarding the meaning of the word “moratorium” in an effort to distract from the real problems with Perry, which **Sam Stone** rightly makes note of. Perry as an idiot saying stupid things about a moratorium on all federal regulations doesn’t really distinguish him from all the other idiots launching candidacies for the GOP nomination. Perry threatening harm to the fed chairman kind of does. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/97 "2011-08-17T16:31:22Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] The trouble is, he didn’t say that. A moratorium on new regulation is not the same thing as calling for the suspension of all regulations. [/QUOTE] But in the video, he says “ALL regulations” and does not say “new regulations”. Are we all watching the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/98 "2011-08-17T16:31:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > A moratorium on new regulation is not the same thing as calling for the suspension of all regulations. These are not the same thing. You can insist they are until you are blue in the face. They aren’t. So which one did he actully say? Hint: the word “new” will not be found, while the word “all” will. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/99 "2011-08-17T17:24:20Z")
Typically hypocrite? [How Rick Perry aggressively pursued federal aid he now decries](http://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-aggressively-pursued-federal-aid-now-decries-095000694.html) > [@](#): > > In his campaign kickoff last Saturday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry burnished his conservative credentials by attacking the idea of deficit stimulus spending. “Washington’s insatiable desire to spend our children’s inheritance on failed stimulus plans and other misguided economic theories have given us record debt and left us with far too many unemployed,” he said. > > But it was not always so for Perry. Back in 2003, lobbyists under Perry’s direction went to Capitol Hill to lobby the Republican Congress for more than a billion dollars in federal deficit spending on “stimulus.” And they won. A 2005 report (pdf) by the Texas Office of State-Federal Relations boasted of “$1.2 billion in temporary state fiscal relief to Texas” through Medicaid that Perry’s lobbying operation had secured. (Watch TIME’s video “Rick Perry Is Ready to Run for President.”) much more at the link ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720/100 "2011-08-17T19:01:31Z")
His “aw-shucks” speeches already make me dislike him and the HPV apology is an interesting indicator of what he’ll do and say to get elected - he’ll suck up to the religious right and tea partiers to get the nomination which (I can only hope) will turn off more rational mainstream voters and cost hi the election. If he’d opened up something like “All right, let’s cut the crap…”, I’d already be cheering for him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rick-perry-for-president-thread/592720.md?page=6)