# The Right and its persecution complex. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2005, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864 "2005-10-25T19:38:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/161 "2005-10-31T03:54:54Z")
**SA** , honestly, if you’re going to coninue this tack you might want to wait a day or two in order to marshal any evidence you have. I’m sure you know, we’re all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. I’ve also ranted here about how generalizations are often more harmful than beneficial when reified, and fallacious fungibility lowers the tone of an entire debate in additon to being false to facts. So far, people have shown some very, very good cites to rebut your claims. There’s been no real counter. And I’ve read the whole thread. You should know that if you’re going to convince Dopers, you need evidence by the truckload. With respect Finn ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/162 "2005-10-31T03:57:03Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I simply refuse to allow myself to fall into the trap of providing “cites” of this, and “proofs” of that when no concrete answer – for your side or mine – exists. > > State your opinion and I’ll state mine. Take from mine what you will; I’ll take from yours what I will. But you can stuff your demands for cites. Well, there is no need for a cite anymore, you proved here that you are a dupe. > [@](#): > > I’ll do what I please. Like I said before: you are in reality a secret liberal operator making conservatives look bad… > [@](#): > > And as far as “manning up”, I’ll have you know, sir, that I just spent the latter part of the afternoon doing manly man work of the kind that would have you crying for your mommy. I just mowed my neighbor’s lawn with my 1300 horsepower, 184" Wide-Trac, Super Hustler Maxi-Z commercial lawn mower, edging with my 128,000 rpm 50 hp LawnMaster commercial lawn edger, and trimming the entire perimeter and decorative features with my 350 hp, 500,000 rpm, commercial Big Boy Weed Gobbler. > > I’ll leave the mincing to you, chum. …Or you you’re Hank Hill. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/163 "2005-10-31T04:03:35Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Cite for my “screaming.” > > You can’t! You pulled it out of your ass! > > You’re just a dumb fuck who can’t back up his outlandish statements! > > Cite!!! Nice exclamation points. Your post is my cite. > [@](#): > > Prove I ever said you claimed victory! > > Back up your accusations, sir, or admit to being the knee-jerk reactionary that we all know you to be. > > I never _said_ you claimed victory, I said you seem to feel you’ve “won some sort of victory.” Dear me. I am defeated by your logic. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I’ve been through this time and again over the time I’ve been here. Cites, in my opinion, are largely a complete waste of time. Unless it comes to an absolute concrete fact, like the number of states that went red in the last election or the date that some event occurred, they solve and/or prove nothing, and they accomplish nothing but to derail the conversation…something you and your ilk frequently seem happy to do. It’s hard to argue with someone’s opinion or observation, but any non-fact cite can be disputed all day long. And worse yet, nothing gets proven…nothing gets settled. > > I simply refuse to allow myself to fall into the trap of providing “cites” of this, and “proofs” of that when no concrete answer – for your side or mine – exists. > > State your opinion and I’ll state mine. Take from mine what you will; I’ll take from yours what I will. But you can stuff your demands for cites. Please. You aren’t even trying to change minds. You just want to spout off and climb up the cross when noone will accept your opinions as fact. “Mommy, the liberals are being mean to me.” :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > And as far as “manning up”, I’ll have you know, sir, that I just spent the latter part of the afternoon doing manly man work of the kind that would have you crying for your mommy. I just mowed my neighbor’s lawn with my 1300 horsepower, 184" Wide-Trac, Super Hustler Maxi-Z commercial lawn mower, edging with my 128,000 rpm 50 hp LawnMaster commercial lawn edger, and trimming the entire perimeter and decorative features with my 350 hp, 500,000 rpm, commercial Big Boy Weed Gobbler. Wow, all that hp and still not a bigger tool than you. All them big ole power tools. Overcompensate much? “I’m a bigger man than you because I own power tools.” :rolleyes: Same ole blah blah. Sounds like someone has inferiority issues. Tell ya what. How about you just wait for a more rational conservative to come along so you can just pretend that what they posted was what you meant all along? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/164 "2005-10-31T04:25:44Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Wow, all that hp and still not a bigger tool than you. > > All them big ole power tools. Overcompensate much? So in other words, a manly and grown up guy like as you actually thinks such equipment actually exists? 😃😃😃 😃😃 Do you not realize a 184" mower would be over fifteen feet wide? And that 350 hp engines power cars, not weedeaters? I was just havin’ a little fun, taking a poke at your silly order that I “mince” my way out of here and let the “grown ups” talk. In actuality, I mowed her yard with a 21" Bolens push mower (not self-propelled though, so it’s still somewhat manly), a Black & Decker electric trimmer and edger, and a WeedEater brand blower. This is all very low end equipment. So, it seems that whatever else you may be, “tool” isn’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/165 "2005-10-31T04:37:18Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > **SA** , honestly, if you’re going to coninue this tack you might want to wait a day or two in order to marshal any evidence you have. I’m sure you know, we’re all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. I’ve also ranted here about how generalizations are often more harmful than beneficial when reified, and fallacious fungibility lowers the tone of an entire debate in additon to being false to facts. So far, people have shown some very, very good cites to rebut your claims. There’s been no real counter. And I’ve read the whole thread. > You should know that if you’re going to convince Dopers, you need evidence by the truckload. > > With respect > Finn Thanks, **Finn**. (And by the way, if you ever decide to license your vocabulary, I’d like to become a franshisee.) 😃 Actually, you make some good points. As you are probably aware, I’m not usually as obtuse as I’ve been over the last few days. It’s just that sometimes certain people or people of a certain posting style just really get on my nerves and before I know it I find myself arguing just to be doing it. There is no point to be made, no conversion to accomplish…and I know it. So I just play along as long they’re willing to keep it going, or I eventually bail becuase I get tired of it or offscreen life intrudes. And frankly, I’m about to reach the point where it’s become too tiresome, even for me. But thanks for the advice. If more of the guys on the other side were more like you, much more could be accomplished around here on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/166 "2005-10-31T05:50:33Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > …Or you you’re Hank Hill. 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/167 "2005-10-31T12:08:45Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > So in other words, a manly and grown up guy like as you actually thinks such equipment actually exists? > > 😃😃😃 😃😃 > > Do you not realize a 184" mower would be over fifteen feet wide? And that 350 hp engines power cars, not weedeaters? > > I was just havin’ a little fun, taking a poke at your silly order that I “mince” my way out of here and let the “grown ups” talk. > > In actuality, I mowed her yard with a 21" Bolens push mower (not self-propelled though, so it’s still somewhat manly), a Black & Decker electric trimmer and edger, and a WeedEater brand blower. > > This is all very low end equipment. > > So, it seems that whatever else you may be, “tool” isn’t one of them. No. In other words a manly man like me doesn’t feel the need to make up power tools just to score points on someone. Silly me by not realizing how low you would go. My fault for not paying attention and taking anything you say at face value. Of course, you’ve confirmed my post by getting your exclamation points on and then “joking.” :rolleyes: Since you seem to be flailing, I’ll give you a helping hand. Sam Stones post earlier in the thread mentions a study. I betcha if you googled that up, you could actually come up with something to contribute to the thread other than your already famous charm. 😃😃😃😃😃 :rolleyes: Terminator my ass. You’re like Daffy Duck without the class. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/168 "2005-10-31T16:24:28Z")
Guys guys guys… What everyone must keep in mind is that you’re arguing with someone who doesn’t let facts affect his or her judgement. You’re arguing with someone who is thrilled that tens of thousands of ‘terrorists and terrorist sympathizers’ have been killed by US forces in Iraq - but still hasn’t managed to define what a ‘terrorist sympathizer’ is. You’re wasting your time. He/she is just like **duffer** , but he/she’s just got more free time to type. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/169 "2005-10-31T19:34:55Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > My fault for not paying attention and taking anything you say at face value. Exactly! You didn’t really pay attention to what I said; you just skimmed it, thought you had ammo to belittle me for needing high-powered tools to boost my self-image, and jumped at the chance to use it. Either that, or really don’t know the difference between my fictional equipment and real equipment and you’re just faking it to try to save face. Either way, you’re still a putz. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/170 "2005-10-31T19:37:38Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > but still hasn’t managed to define what a ‘terrorist sympathizer’ is. > > -Joe Gee…you make it sound like I’ve been trying. As I’ve said before, I’m not going to engage in a debate over the meaning of “is” with you. Get over it! ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/171 "2005-11-01T00:00:23Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > It’s Bush’s style that wins elections, not his substance (quite obviously). I disagree: it’s his character, not his style. Sufficient people felt that he was a better leader and could be better trusted to do the right thing. We had a long and fruitful discussion about character a bit over a year ago during the election. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/172 "2005-11-01T00:02:20Z")
And this past year hasn’t convinced you that the character he showed while campaigning is quite different from his _true_ character? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/173 "2005-11-01T00:59:42Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > You know, this is getting to be absolutely ridiculous. Time and again, over the last few days especially, people seem to feel they’re achieving some sort of victory if they can come up with some example that is contrary to a comment I’ve made. You, and **luci** , and **Harborwolf** , and **GIGObuster** , and **crowmanyclouds** , etc., seem to feel you’ve won some sort of victory by pretending that any comment I make has to apply in \*Each. And. Every. Instance. \*and in regard to _Each. And. Every. Person._ and/or in _Each. And. Every. Result_…or it’s not a valid statement. When did I declare victory? Go back and READ what I had to say when changed your position, after I gave you more facts than you had to base that particular opinion on. Here’s the [link.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6735498&postcount=150) Victory, I’m embarrassed the fight is on my record! > [@Starving Artist](#): > > To the best of my knowledge I have never tried to use this or that specific, singular contrary fact to try to invalidate someone’s use of obviously general statements, and then try to pretend I’ve achieved some sort of final victory over my opponent as a result. I really wish you’d try using some facts. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > Terminator my ass. You’re like Daffy Duck without the class. Hey, don’t insult Daffy like that! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/174 "2005-11-01T12:34:28Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Exactly! > > You didn’t really pay attention to what I said; you just skimmed it, thought you had ammo to belittle me for needing high-powered tools to boost my self-image, and jumped at the chance to use it. > > Either that, or really don’t know the difference between my fictional equipment and real equipment and you’re just faking it to try to save face. > > Either way, you’re still a putz. Why would I try to save face? I don’t know a damn thing about lawn equipment. I’m pissed at myself for missing the numbers. :smack: If you want me to do anything more than skim your posts, maybe you should consider posting something worth paying attention too. You’re like some deranged right wing sidekick. IIRC, in a different thread a long time ago, I compared you to the little dog from the looney toons that followed the bulldog around going “Yeah boss! Sure thing boss!” Good to see that it still fits. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864/175 "2005-11-01T23:02:07Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > As I’ve said before, I’m not going to engage in a debate over the meaning of “is” with you. Get over it! Truly a stupid bitch. I didn’t ask for a definiton of “is”, I asked for a definition of “terrorists sympathiser”. Unless, of course, you’d like to just admit that your definition of the term is ‘anyone killed by American action’. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-and-its-persecution-complex/327864.md?page=8)