# The Right Wing Paranoids Are Right Again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667 "2016-05-13T12:49:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/201 "2016-05-17T15:09:26Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Ha! And they say that liberals are the ones who always worry about protecting people’s “feelings”. If “safe zones” are an abomination, then they are an abomination in bathrooms, too. Grow the fuck up. Wow, you are a new kind of stupid aren’t you? You’re just ready to lash out at anybody that you think might be on the other side of the debate, aren’t you? I think you might be the only idiot on the whole board that didn’t realize that I was being sarcastic. > [@](#): > > No, they were never justified. They might have been prescient, but they weren’t justified. tomato tomahto ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/202 "2016-05-17T15:10:50Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > It again comes down to; > > _ **Please show us actual examples of this being an issue.** _ That’s not the argument. Since when do conservative arguments ever require something actually being an issue? (see voter ID requirements) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/203 "2016-05-17T15:20:18Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Of course they’re constrained by popular opinion. The Supreme Court of the United States might disagree. > [@](#): > > Then and now. Transgender rights aren’t constrained by North Carolina’s popular opinion because civil rights are an American issue and the popular national opinion is the North Carolina laws are unjust. Anti-transpoopers are upset their view is no longer the national one, or the town of Charlotte’s, and they have no problem gerrymandering whatever boundaries of consensus they might to get their way. Their view deserves scorn, their tactics equally so. You really think that the national opinion is on the side of reassigning the gender of kindergartners and elementary school kids? I think as a nation we are only just now starting to get comfortable with the notion of transgender adults and adolescents, I don’t think we are anywhere close to being comfortable with transgender 6 year olds. > [@](#): > > I WISH they’d try to make this a ‘wedge issue’ on the national stage. Laugh I will. Most heartedly. They won an election cycle with gay marriage. Did you laugh back then too? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/204 "2016-05-17T15:28:11Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Ugh. You’re fuckin shit at paraphrasing, DA. Transgender rights have been part of LGBT since the mid-eighties. That does not translate into saying that “transgender rights were next as soon as they got gay marriage taken care of.” What a stupid fuckin way to engage in a conversation. Can you do better and are just not trying, or is that seriously the best you can do? You seem to be having trouble following the conversation. In my post 29, I say: “Polygamy and trans rights were among the concerns expressed by the right and frequently dismissed as paranoia by the left.” In your post 32 you say: “acronym “LGBT” since 1988, that’s more than a quarter century since the left has dismissed transphobia as paranoia.” I took this to mean that the left has been upfront about its agenda to pursue transgender rights since 1988. If you didn’t mean this then in the context of my post in 29, wtf DID you mean? Or did you just want to share a wiki article with the class? I was assuming that your response was germane to what you were responding to. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/205 "2016-05-17T15:30:47Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > What I meant is that the NC legislature is accelerating the rate of trans rights progress by forcing the issue, not that other rights would be somehow rolled back. By codifying discrimination into law, they have created a nucleation point for court cases. They could have stalled things by simply killing proposed laws making sexual orientation and gender identity protected classes. Instead, they are ensuring that there will be plenty of court cases making their way up the chain. That was going to happen one way or another. But if the gay marriage fight is a lesson that can be learned from, losing the first few rounds might be something we should be prepared for. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/206 "2016-05-17T15:32:58Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > My recollection is that changing gender on birth certificates, in states where it is allowed, is done for _non-intersex_ minors only when there are the three criteria used by therapists with respect to gender identity (consistent, persistent, and insistent gender behavior), and there is documentation from a Masters-level therapist, and agreement by the parents/guardians (unless the child is an emancipated minor). Even then IIRC it’s **very rarely** done for children under 16. > > I’m sure one can Google and find a case of a non-intersex younger child being able to change their gender on a birth certificate, but I would opine that it would be a highly unusual situation. What do you think about transgender 6 year olds? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/207 "2016-05-17T16:01:57Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What do you think about transgender 6 year olds? What do you think about people that seek out rare and extremely outlier cases and present them as some sort of event for everyone to be concerned about? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/208 "2016-05-17T16:15:57Z")
A couple of dueling philosophies re transgender kids [here](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789). ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/209 "2016-05-17T17:42:26Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > To the extent there are cis-girls who are too afraid to poop near trans girls, then they need to be helped to get the fuck over it. Why not just have unisex restrooms and tell EVERYONE to get the fuck over it? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/210 "2016-05-17T18:07:38Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Why not just have unisex restrooms and tell EVERYONE to get the fuck over it? I thought of that, but the problem may be not only not being beaten up in the men.s room, but in identifying as a woman, and wanting to use the women’s room. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/211 "2016-05-17T18:07:50Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Why not just have unisex restrooms and tell EVERYONE to get the fuck over it? Because there isn’t a magic wand that powerful. But you know that. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/212 "2016-05-17T18:13:49Z")
The future will be [Single and Shared restrooms](http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/16/forget_men_s_and_women_s_the_restrooms_of_the_future_will_be_single_or_shared.html) instead of Men and Women. Or at least we can hope. Personal anecdote: my first day of college when I walked into the coed dorm and realized there was one shared bathroom for everyone on the floor, I thought it would be really weird to be in a stall next to a girl. By Day 3, it was totally normal. It only seems like it will be a big deal when you haven’t done it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/213 "2016-05-17T19:21:15Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Why not just have unisex restrooms and tell EVERYONE to get the fuck over it? Because, a) I doubt your sincerity on the subject. b) Nobody but you brings it up in the context of trans rights. c) Get the fuck over it. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/214 "2016-05-17T20:44:35Z")
I don’t entirely understand the antipathy toward **lance strongarm** for raising the issue in this context. This is a problem that arises in the bathroom context because we segregate our bathrooms by sex. It is perfectly reasonable to ask whether it makes sense to continue to do so. Maybe it’s all insincere leading to some kind of attempted reductio ad absurdum, but I don’t think the idea of unisex bathrooms is absurd at all. > [@TroutMan](#): > > Personal anecdote: my first day of college when I walked into the coed dorm and realized there was one shared bathroom for everyone on the floor, I thought it would be really weird to be in a stall next to a girl. By Day 3, it was totally normal. It only seems like it will be a big deal when you haven’t done it. I had the same experience. My dorm also had unisex showers in the bathrooms too. Everything was separate stalls, constructed for a little more privacy than typical American institutional bathrooms. There was also a solo full bathroom a couple of floors down that people used from time-to-time for a full range of reasons. Seemed like a pretty good solution to me. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/215 "2016-05-17T22:33:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Wow, you are a new kind of stupid aren’t you? Yep. I’m all sorts of special. 😃 > [@](#): > > You’re just ready to lash out at anybody that you think might be on the other side of the debate, aren’t you? > > I think you might be the only idiot on the whole board that didn’t realize that I was being sarcastic. I was responding to the sentiment, without regard to its sincerity. The next time you have a thought that you don’t want another poster to read or comment on, I suggest that you keep it in your head, instead of posting it. And I don’t recall typing anything which suggested that I didn’t recognize your attempt at sarcasm…as I recall, it was a real gotcha moment for you, and we all paused to bask in your glory when it came on our screens; all were left with little doubt of your intent. Regardless, I stand by my assertion that any right-wing archetype who laments society’s efforts to accommodate individuals freely pursuing their lives, but wants special accommodations to protect them from anyone who might disappoint their expectations, is acting like a child. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/216 "2016-05-17T22:50:49Z")
Actually let’s forget unisex restrooms. I think the richest economy on the planet can afford PRIVATE restrooms for everybody. In my first job out of college (granted, 90’s internet boom), our office tower had private restrooms. For EVERYBODY. True, there were 4 private men’s rooms and 4 private women’s rooms, which in retrospect was strange and disproportionate, but nobody had to suffer the horror of fantasizing about genital ambiguity while catching up on the WSJ. If my artisanal taco joint in the deep south can figure out how to make things equal, certainly everybody else can entertain different notions about how people go wee. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/217 "2016-05-18T00:20:52Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > I don’t entirely understand the antipathy toward **lance strongarm** for raising the issue in this context. This is a problem that arises in the bathroom context because we segregate our bathrooms by sex. It is perfectly reasonable to ask whether it makes sense to continue to do so. Maybe it’s all insincere leading to some kind of attempted reductio ad absurdum, but I don’t think the idea of unisex bathrooms is absurd at all. It’s not. It’s just not something that’s going to happen overnight. (To be fair, I think the antipathy toward **lance** is less about his words and more about his penchant for condescension, pedantry, and egotism.) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/218 "2016-05-18T20:06:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What do you think about people that seek out rare and extremely outlier cases and present them as some sort of event for everyone to be concerned about? What?!?!? WTF is wrong with you? If you don’t like the question then just say so but don’t ignore facts. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/219 "2016-05-18T20:16:27Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Yep. I’m all sorts of special. 😃 No kidding. :smack: > [@](#): > > I was responding to the sentiment, without regard to its sincerity. The next time you have a thought that you don’t want another poster to read or comment on, I suggest that you keep it in your head, instead of posting it. I don’t mind comments. Stupid idiotic retarded dumbass comments are irritating. > [@](#): > > And I don’t recall typing anything which suggested that I didn’t recognize your attempt at sarcasm…as I recall, it was a real gotcha moment for you, and we all paused to bask in your glory when it came on our screens; all were left with little doubt of your intent. Nope, you were responding with enough venom directed personally at me that it precludes any possibility that you understood what the fuck you were reading. > [@](#): > > Regardless, I stand by my assertion that any right-wing archetype who laments society’s efforts to accommodate individuals freely pursuing their lives, but wants special accommodations to protect them from anyone who might disappoint their expectations, is acting like a child. That is a very myopic way of looking at it. Frankly, the problem was NC passing a law dictating birth gender. This was a solution looking for a problem and it found one. One that is going to bite them in the ass but if you told me that a large minority of the population would have to deal with their uncomfortable feelings so that a tiny minority of the population could feel more comfortable about their gender, I would say that is a topic that is subject to debate. Once you tell me that a post operative transgender person has to use the bathroom that corresponds to their sex at birth, you have jumped the shark. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/220 "2016-05-19T01:48:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > a large minority of the population would have to deal with their uncomfortable feelings so that a tiny minority of the population could feel more comfortable about their gender, I would say that is a topic that is subject to debate. I believe that is the crux of the problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667.md?page=12)