# The Right Wing Paranoids Are Right Again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667 "2016-05-13T12:49:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/461 "2016-06-02T19:09:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Chances are, you’ve been doing so all your life, very occasionally. Generally, you’ll probably find that your life is better if you don’t worry about the body parts inside a stranger’s clothing. So why should you worry about a stranger’s hair and clothes? Why care about gender if you can’t care about sex? > [@](#): > > You can guess by various cues – appearance, body shape, voice, mannerisms, etc., but sometimes you’ll be wrong. What do you tell a girl who says she’s not comfortable being in the room with someone with the appearance, body shape, voice, mannerisms etc. of a man? Not a cisgender male - she can’t tell what is in someone’s pants anyway, and you just told her not to - but just a man? And if she might be wrong, why does it matter anyway? He might be a man, but she might actually be a woman. He might be cisgender male, or female. What is the point? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/462 "2016-06-02T19:36:17Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > So why should you worry about a stranger’s hair and clothes? Why care about gender if you can’t care about sex? Why are you asking me? I don’t care. > [@](#): > > What do you tell a girl who says she’s not comfortable being in the room with someone with the appearance, body shape, voice, mannerisms etc. of a man? Not a cisgender male - she can’t tell what is in someone’s pants anyway, and you just told her not to - but just a man? I would say “okay”. Maybe we’d talk about it more if this was my daughter. We’ve had this conversation before. > [@](#): > > And if she might be wrong, why does it matter anyway? He might be a man, but she might actually be a woman. He might be cisgender male, or female. > > What is the point? I have the exact same question about all these questions… ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/463 "2016-06-02T19:53:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Chances are, you’ve been doing so all your life, very occasionally. Generally, you’ll probably find that your life is better if you don’t worry about the body parts inside a stranger’s clothing. And if you witness anyone behaving in a lewd manner, report them to the authorities. “So I might be showering with a man? How could you dare think that was okay??” “You would be fine with a man in the woman’s room? That’s preposterous!” > [@](#): > > He probably can, in general. I’ve never suffered any repercussions from the many times I’ve used a ladies’ room. “He thinks men should be able to just go into the women’s room! What about rape and assault?? Why do you hate women?” > [@](#): > > You can guess by various cues – appearance, body shape, voice, mannerisms, etc., but sometimes you’ll be wrong. “She thought I was a man, and kicked me out of the women’s room! She is a hateful bigot!” > [@](#): > > So how’d I do? I’d say not so good, but thanks for repeating the same non-answers you always give. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/464 "2016-06-02T19:58:17Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > “So I might be showering with a man? How could you dare think that was okay??” > > “You would be fine with a man in the woman’s room? That’s preposterous!” > > “He thinks men should be able to just go into the women’s room! What about rape and assault?? Why do you hate women?” > > “She thought I was a man, and kicked me out of the women’s room! She is a hateful bigot!” > > I’d say not so good, but thanks for repeating the same non-answers you always give. Those are actual answers to your questions. They may not be the answers you like, but they are in fact answers. As for your responses, I mostly don’t understand them. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/465 "2016-06-02T20:29:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Those are actual answers to your questions. They may not be the answers you like, but they are in fact answers. > > As for your responses, I mostly don’t understand them. Only mostly? I’m disappointed ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/466 "2016-06-02T21:00:45Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Let me repeat the challenge one more time: > > Is there anyone you think should be excluded from a restroom for any reason? Not talking about lewd behavior, just something about them - physical appearance or genetic makeup. Anyone? Would you want to exclude a male who looks female, or vice versa, but still identifies as his/her cisgender status? Would you want to exclude a transgender person who still prefers to use the bathroom of their sex and not their gender? . . . No. Everyone is entitled to somewhere to pee, and personal self-identification (documented, not just spur-of-the-moment) is better than birth-certificate sex. Whom do you want to give the power to make this exclusion? A whole new police sub-department, the bathroom police? Everybody has to carry an ID card, and an attendant checks everyone at the door? Just let people do what they need to do. It’s a bathroom, not the CIA HQ at Langley. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/467 "2016-06-03T14:13:19Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Anger, despair, and, yes, destruction and violence _always_ come before change can occur. Nat Turner. The Boston Tea Party. Solidarność. Watts. > > [Stonewall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots). > > To suggest that anger played no part in obtaining societal acceptance of homosexuality is purely ignorant. To suggest that the people who fought and screamed and begged for their basic humanity in the face of hatred and oppression are morally equivalent to Fred Phelps is purely insulting. If you behave like Miller than you are doing more damage to your cause than Fred Phelps. At least Fred gets people to start thinking about how horrible homophobes are. Miller gets us to thinking how horrible gay rights folks are. And when the fuck was Stonewall? The frikking 1960’s? Yeah that obviously shifted you into light speed towards a general recognition of gay rights. And I remember stonewall differently than you might: “Stonewall is often thought of as an uprising of gay men. In reality, “it was drag queens, Black drag queens, who fought the police at the famous Stonewall Inn rebellion in 1969,” wrote lesbian novelist and playwright Sarah Schulman in a 1985 novel. “Years later, a group of nouveau-respectable gays tried to construct a memorial to Stonewall in the park across from the old bar. The piece consisted of two white clone-like thin gay men and two white, young lesbians with perfect noses. They were made of a plaster-like substance, pasty and white as the people who paid for it.”” IIRC there was not as much solidarity between the gay community and the transgender community as there is today, even though the general public might have conflated the two. > [@](#): > > Your dismissal of angry protest as wining asshat jerkery is, well, asshat jerkery on its own. And as you seem to concede, Dr. King was often impolite, and often angry. When did he react the way Miller does? When did he say that people that didn’t fully endorse his views deserved to have their children taken away? After all a racist probably does more harm to their child than someone who is not comfortable discussing gender issues with 6 year olds. > [@](#): > > But that aside, the Mahatma Gandhi would have had no platform for Indian independence without the Punjabi uprisings. Lech Walesa would have had no Solidarity without angry, even violent, civil resistance to government oppression. Dr. King would have had little traction in the South without a history of anger behind him (and indeed, it’s debatable that his voice would have been heard as loudly without Malcolm). IIRC things like a lone black woman standing up to injustice in Montgomery Alabama or the outrage of a nation at the murder of 4 young black girls in a church bombing in Birmingham Alabama were much more significant events than the angry preachings of the Nation of Islam and Malcolm X. But lets just say that you need this sort of asshat jerkery to create visibility on an issue and Asshat jerks like Miller are being asshat jerks because it is a necessary part of the development of civil rights. You don’t think that we have enough visibility on this issue? Sure people are ignorant, but yelling at them and saying they should have their children taken away is not the road to enlightenment you might think it is. > [@](#): > > Gay rights would _not_ have been won without Stonewall. Without “we’re here, we’re queer.” Without “fags bash back.” Without “out of the closets and into the streets.” > > Yeah. You’re goddamn right I’m angry. Dismiss me as shrill all you want. Dismiss me as a “whiny asshat jerk” all you want. Well, you haven’t acted like a whiny asshat jerk yet. You’re angry and that’s fine, I don’t think that does any damage to your cause unless it becomes a defining feature of your cause. But, don’t demand that I put aside any and all questions in the face of your anger. > [@](#): > > I’ve lived through the Plague. I’ve lived through being a caricature. I’ve lived through Brandon Teena and Matthew Shepard and Angie Zapata and all the others. I’ve been spat on, I’ve been punched, I’ve been threatened, I’ve had my windshield smashed. I’ve held kids too beaten up to walk and too terrified to go to the hospital. I watch loved ones go through every day terrified they’ll be outed if they make a single slip–and lose their jobs, lose their friends, lose their lives. > > You know what? _I’ve fucking well **earned** my anger._ And the more people dismiss my anger, tell me I’m just whining, being an asshat, being a jerk, the angrier I get. > > No justice, no fucking peace. Sure, that’s fine. But every time someone says that I deserve to have my kids taken away because I don’t agree with them on something, it makes me see your arguments in a different light. Do whatever you want, it might not be what is most productive for your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/468 "2016-06-03T14:20:24Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I love watching the tone police get a righteous beatdown. Telling people they shouldn’t have kids or should have their kids taken away if they don’t want to talk to their 6 year olds about transgender issues is about more than tone. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/469 "2016-06-03T14:55:32Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > So do I. People who are quick to dismiss truthful and accurate complaints because of ‘tone’ are the worst sorts of assholes. All it is is a passive-aggressive way of finding yet another way to disregard demands for change. Saying that people should have their children taken away because they don’t want to do something that would make life easier for them is not merely “tone” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/470 "2016-06-03T15:00:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That’s 'cause your brain don’t work so good. Perhaps you are confusing the issues that led to progress in the last ten years with all the issues that came up during the long period with very little progress over the last few decades. Noone was talking about locker rooms and bathrooms during the recent debate that led to gay marriage. > [@](#): > > Yeah, you’re definitely a well-informed and useful source for information about the history of the gay rights movement, the opposition thereto, and the most effective tactics employed in its advancement. I don’t know if I would go that far, but I think a head of cabbage would be better than you. > [@](#): > > Well, in fairness, Gandhi never had to put up with you. Or you. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/471 "2016-06-03T15:03:55Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The idea that a “Devil’s Advocate” is even necessary in these sorts of conversations is hilariously stupid. The point of a Devil’s Advocate is that, sometime, you need someone to take a position no one would take in order to test the soundness of a theory. But in real life, on LGBT rights issues, there’s _no end_ to people who are genuinely committed to making sure queers don’t get treated like regular people. We don’t need **lance** ’s tedious song-and-dance routine to test our arguments for us. They’ve been tested plenty, in real life, by honest-to-God bigots… and they work. And we figured out how to make these arguments all on our own, without having **lance** ride in to tell us poor deviants how we’re doing it all wrong. To be fair there are not a lot of posters who are committed to making sure that queers get treated like regular people. Its a bit of an echo chamber. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/472 "2016-06-03T15:18:19Z")
Well aren’t you a petulant little tweaker. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/473 "2016-06-03T16:31:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > … Yeeeeeahno. I’m just not going to. Look, **DA** : you seem to be having a productive and respectful conversation with **Una**. I dig that, and I want to see it continue for as long as she wants it to. If **Miller** ’s words give you reason to hate, despise, condemn, or fear LGBTQ\* people, despite that conversation and **Una** ’s admirable patience, there is nothing I can say that will change that. You do you. Obviously you will no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/474 "2016-06-03T16:51:55Z")
Just to drop my pair of pennies on the forum floor with the rest of them, a quick word on _anger:_ **It is not a tactic** , it is a response to stimuli. In this case, it’s an absolutely justified response to JAQ special questioning which purports to seek education but feels to those being questioned like just another demand from a majority group that the minority group justify their right to exist within the same society. In plain effect, that exercise is just a more passive-aggressive type of queer bashing, the type which treats them as Others imposing on your Way of Life. As if they landed from Mars in the recent past, and haven’t been part of your precious society from the beginning. When you dismiss the honest rage as some sort of calculated approach, it’s not only insulting and condescending and dehumanizing, it’s also the thing that will prevent you from ever really comprehending how the issue affects you or your society. **Una** is, with remarkable restraint and professionalism, using education and exposure to fight the bigotry against her minority group. This is assuredly not for your limited benefit, but is how she speaks to the larger audience, as a full time advocate. Don’t expect that sort of restraint as a matter of course in casual discussion, and certainly you’re a fool if you demand it from all respondents. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/475 "2016-06-03T17:12:01Z")
Well said, **xeno**. > [@xenophon41](#): > > Don’t expect that sort of restraint as a matter of course in casual discussion, and certainly you’re a fool if you demand it from all respondents. And you should most definitely not expect it when you casually drop rancid bombs like > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > To be fair there are not a lot of posters who are committed to making sure that queers get treated like regular people. Its a bit of an echo chamber. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/476 "2016-06-04T00:39:10Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > LOL. Thanks, I’ll save that. Aren’t you opposed to toxic stereotypes and broad stroke generalizations? Aren’t you anti-sexist? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/477 "2016-06-04T02:34:05Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Just to drop my pair of pennies on the forum floor with the rest of them, a quick word on _anger:_ **It is not a tactic** , it is a response to stimuli. In this case, it’s an absolutely justified response to JAQ special questioning which purports to seek education but feels to those being questioned like just another demand from a majority group that the minority group justify their right to exist within the same society. In plain effect, that exercise is just a more passive-aggressive type of queer bashing, the type which treats them as Others imposing on your Way of Life. As if they landed from Mars in the recent past, and haven’t been part of your precious society from the beginning. > > When you dismiss the honest rage as some sort of calculated approach, it’s not only insulting and condescending and dehumanizing, it’s also the thing that will prevent you from ever really comprehending how the issue affects you or your society. **Una** is, with remarkable restraint and professionalism, using education and exposure to fight the bigotry against her minority group. This is assuredly not for your limited benefit, but is how she speaks to the larger audience, as a full time advocate. Don’t expect that sort of restraint as a matter of course in casual discussion, and certainly you’re a fool if you demand it from all respondents. I can demand it but I know I won’t get it, but don’t demand that I just sit there and meekly accept whatever abuse you want to heap on me. I expressed concern about exposing transgender issues to young children, the response was “we should take children away from people who don’t want to expose their children to these issues” This is after I point out that I support an ADA undue burden standard for accommodation of transgender use of public facilities and am pretty comfortable with transgender adults. The fact that transgender issues are not exactly clear for me among minors suddenly means I should have my children taken away. Maybe I am missing something. Is questioning transgenderism among children really as horrible as saying you should have your children taken away? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/478 "2016-06-04T02:36:07Z")
> [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > Well said, **xeno**.And you should most definitely not expect it when you casually drop rancid bombs like That was a typo. I meant to say: “To be fair there are not a lot of posters who are committed to making sure that queers DON’T get treated like regular people. Its a bit of an echo chamber.” I was trying to point out that this is not a hostile environment for your side of the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/479 "2016-06-04T02:59:13Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Yeeeeeahno. I’m just not going to. > > Look, **DA** : you seem to be having a productive and respectful conversation with **Una**. I dig that, and I want to see it continue for as long as she wants it to. > > If **Miller** ’s words give you reason to hate, despise, condemn, or fear LGBTQ\* people, despite that conversation and **Una** ’s admirable patience, there is nothing I can say that will change that. You do you. Obviously you will no matter what. No, its not changing m opinion on the LGBT debate its just changing my opinion on Miller and how this site picks moderators. But I do think that this “I can treat people like shit because I’ve suffered sooooo much” attitude is bad for your cause. Una has been almost shockingly open and frank in answering my questions and as she answer my questions I am encouraged to ask the more difficult questions, the kind that you can’t ask in polite company. I don’t think I am not much more ignorant on these issues than the average citizen so if you think that shouting at people like me is going to help your cause in some way then I don’t see how. I have been having a shouting match with Miller not because I started shouting at him but because Miller started shouting at me for asking questions about transgenderism in young children and Miller said people like me should have their children taken away if they don’t want to expose their young children to transgender issues. And everyone jumped to Miller’s defense. Noone seemed to think he had said anything wrong, it was just righteous indignation on his part. This is a pretty safe environment for pro-rights of almost any kind (other than gun rights, and even there its sort of a push) and I realize that even asking questions is frowned upon here, but I can ask questions here that I can’t ask in real life either because I am not close enough to anyone who is informed on transgender issues to get a reasonably informed answer or because it seems too personal to ask. I am not getting these questions from some hate group website, I am not intentionally poking sore spots or trying to piss people off. These are the questions that I have and if I can’t ask them here, where the fuck CAN I ask them? Am I just supposed to think what you tell me to think? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667/480 "2016-06-04T03:19:15Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This is a pretty safe environment for pro-rights of almost any kind (other than gun rights, and even there its sort of a push) and I realize that even asking questions is frowned upon here, but I can ask questions here that I can’t ask in real life either because I am not close enough to anyone who is informed on transgender issues to get a reasonably informed answer or because it seems too personal to ask. I am not getting these questions from some hate group website, I am not intentionally poking sore spots or trying to piss people off. These are the questions that I have and if I can’t ask them here, where the fuck CAN I ask them? Am I just supposed to think what you tell me to think? yeah, that’s pretty much it. The problem is many people come here “just asking questions” and they are clueless assholes, so whenever anyone truly has a question, it gets drowned out by defense mechanisms and legitimate anti-hate responses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-right-wing-paranoids-are-right-again/754667.md?page=25)