# The Rittenhouse trial **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 4, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798 "2021-11-04T14:56:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/602 "2021-11-12T22:49:04Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Again, did KR have a legitimate fear for his life because Rosenbaum lunged for his rifle to disarm him. So, is this just based on the McGinnis testimony? (That Rosenbaum lunged for his rifle). Or do you see that in the video? ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/603 "2021-11-13T00:39:30Z")
Just the McGinnis testimony so far. I have not seen a clear video of Rosenbaum trying to grab the rifle, but would like to see it if it exists. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/604 "2021-11-13T00:40:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Not causing trouble and offering medical aid. He cleaned racist graffiti from a school earlier that day. There’s also video of Kyle beating up some girl in a prior altercation. And saying he wished he could shoot shoplifters. Neither of those videos were allowed by the judge. But if we’re basing Kyle’s intentions on his prior actions/words, you’re picking and choosing. Also, Charles Manson played guitar in a church once. ---
**Author:** ![K2500](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f6c823/32.png) [@K2500](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K2500)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/605 "2021-11-13T01:31:46Z")
> [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](#): > > As it happens, Rosenbaum had just been released from the hospital that day, following his second suicide attempt in as many months. > > I think it’s a mistake to assume anything Rosenbaum was doing had any rational intent. This is news to me. It seems his release may have been ill advised. I’d expect to see a thorough review of his case file and actions taken by his providers. I’d expect to see licenses revoked. I’d also expect to see he was a state case and that he was booted for not meeting minimum state requirements for payment. I expect that Wisconsin may be similar to Texas(where I live) both in its protections of the second amendment and it’s complete refusal to recognize mental health as an actual public health concern. Its fucking garbage. That said, I can’t deny Rittenhouse the prívale of self defense because Rosenbaum’s ill conceived actions. It just makes the whole thing even sadder. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/606 "2021-11-13T01:59:54Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Your point is not nearly as clear when you take into account that at least two people on the other “side” were also openly displaying firearms. Which two, and how many times did Rittenhouse shoot them? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/607 "2021-11-13T13:50:25Z")
OK. Any of the boilerplate phrases in that post actually addressed to me? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/608 "2021-11-13T14:37:48Z")
It:s going to take awhile for the jury to go through all the charges. They’re called _lesser charges_ but Rittenhouse could still spend years in prison. I think the reckless endangerment might stick. McGinnis could have easily been hit. It’s ironic that close proximity made him the best defense witness. > **[Rittenhouse jury will consider some lesser charges in fatal shootings. Here's...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/11/12/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-jury-lesser-charges/8587085002/)** > > The addition of some lesser charges is a win for the prosecution: "Throw more against the wall to see if it sticks," a legal expert told USA TODAY. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/explainer-charges-kyle-rittenhouse-face-80917080](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/explainer-charges-kyle-rittenhouse-face-80917080) > [@](#): > > FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON > > This felony charge is also connected to the Rosenbaum shooting. McGinnis told investigators he was in the line of fire when Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum. The charge is punishable by 12 1/2 years in prison. The weapons modifier carries another five years. ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/609 "2021-11-13T15:24:59Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > > > Look, there’s a whole weird subculture out there now of people showing up at these “riotous protests” armed, wearing tactical gear, and basically just “playing” at being a paramedic or a security guard. The vast, vast majority of big riotous protests have featured hundreds of people acting like this, the vast majority of whom have not fired their weapons or hurt anyone > > I had no idea. That’s bizarre It’s bean so common that terms of endearment like “Meal Team Six” were invented just for them. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/610 "2021-11-13T15:27:20Z")
I always thought they were called vigilantes only with fancier more modern pitchforks and tourches. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/611 "2021-11-13T15:51:12Z")
This is a pretty quick read. It sums up what I’ve thought about this, about Arbery’s killers, and about George Zimmerman: > **[Rex Huppke: Guilty or innocent, Kyle Rittenhouse should disgust us all](https://madison.com/wsj/opinion/column/rex-huppke-guilty-or-innocent-kyle-rittenhouse-should-disgust-us-all/article_34766ade-173a-5866-a0cb-64fafcb817d0.html)** > > Nobody should want untrained teen vigilantes patrolling with illegally obtained guns ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/612 "2021-11-13T15:54:00Z")
Soon we get the judges instructions to the jury. If it’s the ‘fear for his life’ trope then it’s a slam dunk for the defense. The kid was scared. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/613 "2021-11-13T15:57:57Z")
Also … [https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/256356769\_4483872324982506\_9047282058357067518\_n.jpg?\_nc\_cat=111&ccb=1-5&\_nc\_sid=dbeb18&\_nc\_ohc=Iy-g-gFuEkYAX85\_jFU&tn=3qFmVeZDHqUO\_1k7&\_nc\_ht=scontent.fapa1-1.fna&oh=f719c4a8be62908daee588d825351840&oe=6193E047](https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/256356769_4483872324982506_9047282058357067518_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=Iy-g-gFuEkYAX85_jFU&tn=3qFmVeZDHqUO_1k7&_nc_ht=scontent.fapa1-1.fna&oh=f719c4a8be62908daee588d825351840&oe=6193E047) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/614 "2021-11-13T16:29:17Z")
What we should want less is a society where those who are trained are told by political allies of the far left to do nothing while politically motivated rioting, looting, and violent intimidation is occurring. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/615 "2021-11-13T16:33:57Z")
Because what we should want more is a society where those who are trained are told by political allies of the far right to do nothing while politically motivated rioting, looting, and violent intimidation is occurring, right? 🤨 No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/616 "2021-11-13T16:37:12Z")
Much like the free concert at **[Altamont](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert)**, it’s not enough to accurately identify a potential problem; you have to have a reasonable solution to that problem. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/617 "2021-11-13T16:58:29Z")
I’m confused about something. Before the trial, the Judge disallowed the video showing Rittenhouse saying he wanted an AK to shoot suspected looters. Later in the trial Rittenhouse says he got the AK just because it looked cool. When Binger tried to impeach this with the disallowed evidence, the Judge rebuked him. Now I get there is a proper way to do things but based on the new testimony shouldn’t the video evidence now be allowed? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/618 "2021-11-13T17:00:31Z")
The shooting of Jacob Blake had exactly fucking zero to do with politics, and neither did the angry response to the shooting. Now the riot at the Capitol last January, that was political. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/619 "2021-11-13T17:07:42Z")
I theorize (just from looking at him) that he was bullied all through school, and thought that by getting a gun and swaggering through some other town, he could reinvent himself into some kind of ersatz alpha male. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/620 "2021-11-13T17:12:52Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > {…} Later in the trial Rittenhouse says he got the AK just because it looked cool. {…} Which side asked the question that got this response? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/621 "2021-11-13T18:07:57Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Soon we get the judges instructions to the jury. If it’s the ‘fear for his life’ trope then it’s a slam dunk for the defense. The kid was scared. By trope you mean the legal definition of self defense? 600 plus posts and people are still confused about what a reasonable belief is? The judge will most likely read the definition of self defense out of the statue then clarify what it means in layman’s terms. The actual statute: > A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself. In no way does it say fear is all that’s needed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798.md?page=32)