# The Rittenhouse trial **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 4, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798 "2021-11-04T14:56:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1643 "2021-12-03T23:27:59Z")
> [@XT](#): > > either you are freaking out by someone openly carrying or you aren’t. There is, of course, a middle ground: people who don’t “freak out” when we see someone open carry, but do get a tad uneasy and keep a sharp eye on that person. There are a lot of weird people out there, and some of them are armed. I’m saying this as someone who spent nearly her entire adult life in open carry states where the overwhelming majority of residents were responsible gun owners who _very_ seldom open-carried in town. I think most people agree that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense but that he was a foolish kid who was completely unequipped to handle the situation and shouldn’t have been there. If he hadn’t gone, two people would still be alive, a third would have an intact arm, and Rittenhouse would not have been crying and vomiting at the police station. Don’t we all really wish people would stop appointing themselves riot control officers and would stay the f-ck home? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1644 "2021-12-04T00:11:07Z")
Yes, but again the open carry laws in WI were not part of the Defense. So, no “stupid laws” lead to his acquittal. **And like I said, can we NOT debate open carry laws here- it will lead to a massive hijack.** That case has nothing whatsoever to do with self defense. The man was convicted as he was NOT shooting in self defense. This case has absolutely no bearing. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1645 "2021-12-04T01:25:41Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Don’t we all really wish people would stop appointing themselves riot control officers and would stay the f-ck home? Unfortunately, the Rittenhouse verdict is likely to have the opposite effect. One viewpoint: > [@](#): > > …The right’s cheerleading (“vigilantism good”) was not matched by a clear response from Democrats on the use of force… > > …**The right’s virulent emphasis on individual rights (no masks, no vaccines, no limits on open carry)** has effectively elevated self-esteem and selfishness to a fine art form. It has become fundamentally hostile to the qualities we need in a diverse, democratic society: self-discipline, kindness, deferred gratification, civility and empathy… > > …And it is not surprising that the moral vacuum in right-wing politics is evident among the most prominent Republican constituency, White evangelicals. “The aggressive, disruptive, and unforgiving mindset that characterizes so much of our politics has found a home in many American churches,” Republican and evangelist Peter Wehner wrote in the Atlantic recently. **The MAGA movement’s pugilism, resentment, belligerence, suspicion, toxic masculinity and zero-sum viewpoint have saturated many churches** , where lust for Christian nationalism displaces biblical values… > **[Opinion | What the Rittenhouse trial tells us about race and vigilantism](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/22/what-rittenhouse-trial-tells-us-about-race-vigilantism/)** > > The best example of two justice systems. (my bolding) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1646 "2021-12-04T01:38:34Z")
Well you obviously aren’t understanding my post properly since what you are suggesting I said is nowhere to be found in what I said. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1647 "2021-12-04T01:52:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But I agree that he made the totally wrong and stupid decision to go there and arm himself. When stupidity is outlawed, only outlaws will be stupid. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1648 "2021-12-08T05:53:52Z")
quibble: despite the hat…i was unable to locate anyone with his name with a valid or inactive for any reason paramedic license in WI medical license lookup. Granted, not illegal to lie about being a medic, but this sounds more like offsetting penalties… Many of not most people wandering around protests calling themselves “medics” have no meaningful medical training at all. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1649 "2021-12-08T06:20:27Z")
Right. And I’m impressed that you looked that up! Impersonating an EMT is a misdemeanor in Wisconsin. 946.70 (d) Except as provided in sub. [(2)](https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/946.70(2)), whoever impersonates an emergency medical responder, as defined in s. [256.01 (4p)](https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/256.01(4p)), with intent to mislead others into believing that the person is actually an emergency medical responder is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. And he didn’t just wear the hat and tell people he was a medic; he [actually said](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/05/kyle-rittenhouse-american-vigilante) he was an EMT. > He wasn’t old enough to be a certified E.M.T., yet he shouted, “I am an E.M.T.!,” and proclaimed, “If you are injured, come to _me!_ ” What a pathetic little Walter Mitty. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1650 "2021-12-09T04:27:13Z")
I was referring to Gaige Grosskreutz ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1651 "2021-12-12T06:46:51Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > I was referring to Gaige Grosskreutz The prosecutor had him testify about his experience working for a private ambulance company in Milwaukee as an EMT and paramedic. It was not disputed by the defense. Maybe they missed something and let him lie on the stand but I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1652 "2021-12-14T22:24:18Z")
The Mayor of Chicago stated yeaterday that it is the merchants who are to blame for the lootings and burnings for “failure to provide adequate security.” Thing is, the Chicago PD will not enter into South Chicago after 5:00 PM. In a kind of warped sequence of reasoning, she’s right. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1653 "2021-12-15T09:15:43Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > The Mayor of Chicago stated yeaterday that it is the merchants who are to blame for the lootings and burnings for “failure to provide adequate security.” Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1654 "2021-12-15T09:41:53Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > Thing is, the Chicago PD will not enter into South Chicago after 5:00 PM. So you’re saying the police are refusing to do their jobs? That sounds bad of them. How should the Mayor punish them for this? Also, WTF does this have to do with Rittenhouse? > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Cite? It appears to relate to this quote from Lightfoot from December 6: > [@](#): > > I’m disappointed that [Downtown Chicago retailers] are not doing more to take safety and make it a priority. The right-wing media have seized upon this and spun it into “it is the merchants who are to blame for the lootings and burnings” because they are still trying to deflect from their and their pet politicians’ support for violent insurrection, including assaults on any police who get in their way. But, again, nothing to do with Rittenhouse. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1655 "2021-12-15T09:58:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It appears to relate to this quote from Lightfoot from December 6: So, not “yeaterday”? ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1656 "2021-12-15T14:59:40Z")
I tried to find a liberal source, but it is kiind of hard to find any paper defending Her Honor’s comments.Here’s one from 12/9. Six days ago. My profuse apologies for the misinformation. I only heard about it the day before posting. No oiffense intended. [Sun Times: Lightfoot playing blame game](https://chicago.suntimes.com/fran-spielman-show/2021/12/9/22826387/organized-retail-crime-magnificent-mile-illinois-retail-merchants-rob-karr) On of the considerations the press is paying no attention to but certainly not lost on the people of Chicago is that the crime has been consistently spreading out from South Chicago. The Mayor’s comments were aimed merchant of what is called the Magnificent Mile, a retail strip that runs basically from the river along the north shore. The mayor’s comments, no surprise, “Not our fault.” Those high end stores have started to close the doors. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1657 "2021-12-15T15:09:08Z")
Again: relevance to Rittenhouse? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1658 "2021-12-15T15:25:00Z")
It appears to be paying off: **[Tou](https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrE19eXB7phPGMANPxXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzMEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj/RV=2/RE=1639610392/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.msn.com%2fen-us%2fnews%2fpolitics%2fkyle-rittenhouse-confirmed-as-guest-speaker-for-turning-point-usas-americafest%2far-AARQ1rO/RK=2/RS=ZHXMiMHHvafQxAqxDqCwD1ZryKU-)r** ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1659 "2021-12-15T16:07:40Z")
I wonder if Rittenhouse thinks he’s political or entertainment? And which do the producers of the event think he is? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1660 "2021-12-15T16:15:17Z")
They both think he’s a Warrior Saint, why do you ask? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1661 "2021-12-15T16:57:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And which do the producers of the event think he is? A draw for the paying rubes, and a means of getting publicity by trolling the libtards. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798/1662 "2021-12-15T17:14:52Z")
To continue the hijack (why not, the Rittenhouse trial is over and done) here in Minneapolis there was an ordinance forbidding businesses from installing security grates or shutters over their windows, because it was considered to “cause visual blight” and create the impression that an area is “unsafe” and “troublesome". After much criticism, this was finally lifted back in March, especially after critics pointedly asked what it said about Minneapolis that it needed such an ordinance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rittenhouse-trial/953798.md?page=84)