# The Roman Catholic Church can go sit on a crucifix **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2022, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926 "2022-01-17T08:29:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/61 "2022-01-18T22:27:15Z")
Firing would have been a symbolic gesture, a showing that they gave a fuck about the victims. But they did not not. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/62 "2022-01-18T22:54:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “suspension with pay and benefits intact” Hell, I’ll take that in a heartbeat. And I don’t even _like_ little boys. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/63 "2022-01-18T23:02:48Z")
Apparently he was also an informant to the secret police (the Commies). Can you snitch? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/64 "2022-01-18T23:03:54Z")
I’ve had stitches, ain’t no thing. So, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/65 "2022-01-21T12:36:05Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > > > How about firing his ass? > > I was assuming that a 97-year-old who “was prohibited from attending any celebrations or public meetings (and) forbidden to use bishops’ insignia” _had_ essentially lost whatever job he may have had. If my assumption was incorrect, then yeah. Naw. They could have publicly defrocked him. That would have made it easier for the civil authorities to prosecute. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/66 "2022-02-13T15:04:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Yep. There are actually going with “You can’t rape a kid if he is gay.” It does not seem like the kid being gay has anything to do with it on either side. I think what the church was saying is the relationship was consentual and the argument they are making is “You can’t rape a consenting sexual active person”, sort of glossing over that he was 12 and his rapist was in a position of authority over him. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/67 "2022-02-13T15:58:05Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > sort of glossing over that he was 12 and his rapist was in a position of authority over him Right, but what about the part where priests (bishops, cardinals, etc) are _fucking **celibate** _? Is that supposed to be _oh well_? The law really ought to address the violation of their s9lemn vows, even though those vows are not in a legal scope. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/68 "2022-02-13T16:10:23Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Right, but what about the part where priests (bishops, cardinals, etc) are _fucking **celibate** _ ? I’m not sure of where celibacy is derived from. I believe, perhaps incorrectly, for nuns they are married to Christ, thus it would be adultery in some weird way, and yes that could apply to the whole organization. I’m not really up on that. But it does seem more of a non-issue compared to the 12 yr olds they did it with. Unless you wish to make the case that celibacy can not satisfy the urges which may then manifest in unholy ways. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/69 "2022-02-13T17:41:51Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I’m not sure of where celibacy is derived from. If you care, there’s a Wikipedia article. > **[Clerical celibacy in the Catholic Church](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy_in_the_Catholic_Church)** > > Jus novum (c. 1140-1563) > Jus novissimum (c. 1563-1918) > Jus codicis (1918-present) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/70 "2022-02-13T17:50:53Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > m not sure of where celibacy is derived from. Of course, there is [the claim, from a minister, that](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/apr/20/was-jesus-gay-probably) Jesus was actively homosexual, > [@](#): > > Those [last words of Jesus](http://www.rc.net/wcc/readings/apr6.htm) … “When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, ‘Woman behold your son!’ Then he said to the disciple. ‘Behold your mother!’ And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.” > > That disciple was John whom Jesus, the gospels affirm, loved in a special way. All the other disciples had fled in fear. Three women but only one man had the courage to go with Jesus to his execution. That man clearly had a unique place in the affection of Jesus. Which could excuse the sexual behavior of clerics – _if it were Catholic teaching, which it is not_. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/71 "2022-02-25T17:18:36Z")
It is pretty odd that Jesus never married a woman. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/72 "2022-02-25T17:47:35Z")
Maybe not such a difficult thing to imagine, when you see [this guy](https://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_fill,g_center,w_1200/fl_lossy,pg_1,q_auto/jesus-popular-mechanics_pgx1uq.jpg) going around with an entourage of dudes, spouting what must have sounded like some crazy-ass shit, back in the day. In order to marry a woman/beard, he would have needed to find one who would have him ITFP. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/73 "2022-02-25T17:51:56Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > In fact, the Oscar for Best Picture in 2015 went to a movie about this sexual abuse. Note that the archbishop responsible for the massive coverups in that case, Bernard Law, was coddle and protected by the Vatican following his resignation from his post in Boston. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/74 "2022-02-25T19:06:02Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I’m not sure of where celibacy is derived from. Isn’t it a sin to have sex outside of marriage? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/75 "2022-02-25T19:15:16Z")
Practically speaking, only for women. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/76 "2022-02-25T19:34:50Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > > [@kanicbird](#): > > > > I’m not sure of where celibacy is derived from. > > Isn’t it a sin to have sex outside of marriage? Are you implying that clerics are wed in the same way as nuns? Has the catholic church been carrying out gay marriage lo these many centuries? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/77 "2022-02-25T19:39:46Z")
No,I was responding to @kanicbird’s question as to where celibacy is derived. The church says that you can’t have sex outside of marriage, and the church says you can’t get married. Therefore, celibate. (Many protestant denominations allow their clergy to get married, but sex outside of marriage is still a big no-no.) Even if Catholic priests _could_ get married, they still can’t marry other men, nor can they marry 12 year old boys. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/78 "2025-04-26T01:14:41Z")
The thing that has always puzzled me is, do they use a common theme in the seduction process? How do they justify the act to the child who in most cases is very religious? I had a weak attempt at seducing me when I was an altar boy. I recognized it and didn’t let it go any further. But my first thought was " How can you stand before all these people as a man of God? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/79 "2025-04-30T23:26:19Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > do they use a common theme in the seduction process? This is one of the most dumfuk questions you’ve asked on this site. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926/80 "2025-05-01T00:07:53Z")
> [@Fiveroptic](#): > > This is one of the most dumfuk questions you’ve asked on this site. You are a dumb fuck for thinking it is dumfuck! It is a very important question. How do they justify their faith while seducing a child? It would be nice if children could be prewarned of these tactics [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-roman-catholic-church-can-go-sit-on-a-crucifix/957926.md?page=5)