# The Run to Super Bowl Licks (LIX). 2024 NFL playoffs **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [December 9, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410 "2024-12-09T18:14:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/421 "2025-01-29T17:59:55Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > The odds slightly favoring Kansas City are probably only based on the volume of betting for them. Agreed. It would not surprise me that a fair amount of Super Bowl betting is coming from casual fans, who are interested because it’s The Big Game, and only know that (a) the Chiefs have won several Super Bowls recently, and (b) Taylor Swift is still dating a guy who plays for the Chiefs. Factors like KC barely winning many of its games this year, and not being as dominant as they had been in past seasons, are either unknown or irrelevant to them. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/422 "2025-01-29T18:14:41Z")
[quote=“Railer13, post:419, topic:1011410”] Then I guess I totally missed your point. Are you saying that they were both over-hyped?[/quote] This year for PM at least, yes. He is 19th in the league in 2024 in adjusted net yards per pass attempt. But your name is on the trophy forever. I am coming to this more as a baseball analyst; there winning the prize is a definite perk when it comes to All-Star (All-Pro) status and HoF worthiness, but doesn’t have the be-all and end-all status that it does for NFL QBs. Ken Anderson continues to wait outside Canton purely because he never won the SB despite being ridiculously overqualified otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/423 "2025-01-29T18:21:40Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > > [@Railer13](#): > > > > impressive numbers when compared with a HOF quarterback. > > You can’t really compare passing numbers from different eras. Agree, definitely. I once called the great Sammy Baugh by telephone, out of the blue. I was connected by the old Directory Assistance that there was back then. This was in the early 1990s and when I asked him, ‘Slingin Sammy’ said he would love to be playing in this current era with the forward pass no longer considered a desperation last-gasp measure like it was in his heyday. It’s a phone call I’ll always remember. After he died when I was on a road trip through Texas I stopped in at his town, Rotan, and stopped to pay my respects at his grave site. The entire row of headstones was for the Baugh family. Sammy (he and I are now on a first name basis LOL) said he’d autograph my NFL 75th Anniversary coffee table book and he told me to address it to simply Sam Baugh, Rotan TX (plus the zip) and it would get to him. I did, and he signed it and sent it back. A very cool touch with an NFL HOF great. So yeah, you cannot compare passing stats from different eras. Of course you can if you want to but be careful with the conclusions you draw. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/424 "2025-01-29T18:43:39Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > But you can compare won-loss Sure. You can also compare rankings among their peers. As a crude example, best passer in the league is/was the best passer in the league regardless what year it happened. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/425 "2025-01-29T18:49:18Z")
I thought there was a QBR+ that was adjusted to the mean QBR of each season. That could be some measure. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/426 "2025-01-29T18:50:40Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > But you can compare won-loss records and percentages, yes? > > If my math is correct: > > Elway’s won-loss percentage was .643. > Mahomes is .794. Taysom Hill is .778 Brett Favre is .618 Jim McMahon is .680 Drew Brees is .595 Jimmy Garappolo is .671 Matthew Stafford is .489 Kenny Pickett is .600 Drew Bledsoe is .508. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/427 "2025-01-29T18:58:41Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Right, but there are some (but not all) Unsportsmanlike penalties that if you get 2 in a single game, you’re automatically disqualified. Just to clarify, here is an article on the sequence of penalties: > **[NFC championship: Commanders warned by officials that bad goal-line...](https://sports.yahoo.com/nfc-championship-commanders-warned-by-officials-that-bad-goal-line-behavior-could-result-in-free-eagles-td-232607392.html)** > > Has there ever been an NFL touchdown awarded without one actually being scored? The Washington Commanders came precariously close to that scenario in Sunday's NFC championship game. After Luvu’s second penalty, this was the announcement: > “Encroachment, defense No. 4," Hochuli said, announcing the penalty. "Washington has been warned if that foul is intentionally done again, it will be an unsportsmanlike conduct foul. For now, it’s half the distance to the goal, and it’s still second down.” That was a warning against the player, and at least the announcers interpreted that as a warning that they’d potentially kick him out of the game. Luvu did not commit a third foul, but another player did, which resulted in this announcement: > “Encroachment, defense No. 93," Hochuli said. "Washington has been advised that at some point the referee can award a score if this type of behavior happens again.” The next play was no foul but the Eagles got an easy TD on a keeper from Hurts as he only needed to move a little bit to score. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/428 "2025-01-29T19:12:44Z")
I’m curious how the touchdown would be recorded on the game transcript log if it had been awarded that way. Like, _“Touchdown, PHI. Touchdown awarded due to referee discretion”_ ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/429 "2025-01-29T19:30:42Z")
I assume they’d reference the rule that gave the referee the power to do that. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/430 "2025-01-29T20:28:49Z")
Yeah, there’s already a somewhat common scenario where a penalty results in points awarded (offensive holding in your own end zone). ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/431 "2025-01-29T20:36:56Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > there’s already a somewhat common scenario where a penalty results in points awarded (offensive holding in your own end zone). Specifically: offensive holding and intentional grounding, as the two most likely examples, committed in your own end zone, result in a safety, as does fumbling the ball and having it go out of bounds in the end zone. In those cases, it’d also be the uncommon example of points being scored by a team, but not attributed to a specific player on the scoring team. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/432 "2025-01-29T21:44:02Z")
I had to look up the instances of a QB stepping out of bounds for a safety. For Orlovsky and Garoppolo it was credited as a sack for the closest defender, much like sacks where a QB is chased out behind the line of scrimmage on any scrimmage play. The Minshew one is credited as a sack, but not for a specific defender. ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/433 "2025-01-30T01:51:42Z")
I thought it would’ve been awarded because there weren’t any more yards left to give them. Any more yardage from penalties would’ve put them over the line. Did I misinterpret that? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/434 "2025-01-30T02:35:21Z")
Do safeties ever get attributed as points to the defender? I had always assumed they were essentially team stats. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/435 "2025-01-30T02:40:03Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > Any more yardage from penalties would’ve put them over the line. Did I misinterpret that? Yes. In cases that there are fewer yards to the goal line than the penalty calls for, the penalty is assessed as “half the distance to the goal line”. Potentially, repeatedly, so a Zeno paradox of constantly approaching but never crossing the goal line. Hence, the alternate (and extreme, and exceptionally rare) penalty of simply awarding the score. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/436 "2025-01-30T03:43:05Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Do safeties ever get attributed as points to the defender? I had always assumed they were essentially team stats. Yep. 4 career leaders tied at a total of 4, one of which is HoFer Ted Hendricks. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/437 "2025-01-30T06:53:36Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > 4 career leaders tied at a total of 4, one of which is HoFer Ted Hendricks. And, one player, Fred Dryer, had two in one game in 1973. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/438 "2025-01-30T16:12:21Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’m curious how the touchdown would be recorded on the game transcript log if it had been awarded that way. It is certainly weird. I guess it’s like when they call, “False start, every offensive player except the center.” It sounds weird but that’s sometimes how it goes down. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/439 "2025-01-30T16:25:38Z")
I’ve always found it confusing that they call Delay of Game on the QB. It should be on the center, he’s the one who has to actually snap the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410/440 "2025-01-30T16:39:47Z")
But the C always snaps the ball on command by the QB, so it’s really on the QB. Added — looks like I just ninja’d you, @Atamasama . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-run-to-super-bowl-licks-lix-2024-nfl-playoffs/1011410.md?page=23)