# The Ryan, you are NOT cute! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2001, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928 "2001-01-26T22:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2001, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/1 "2001-01-26T22:35:18Z")
[This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=56572) is only the latest example of your willful disregard of both basic courtesy and logic in your neverending need to have the last word. Your hair-splitting over word choice while refusing to even look at the actual thrust of arguments is frustrating beyond words. Insulting other posters because you don’t understand their arguments is _not_ an acceptable debating tactic! ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2001, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/2 "2001-01-26T22:54:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Insulting other posters because you don’t understand their arguments is not an acceptable debating tactic! In his world, it apparently is. See, how it works is: you act like a dickhead; then people tell you “I won’t talk to you if you act like a dickhead;” _then_ you act like a dickhead _again;_ they consequently refuse to talk to you; snf then you can claim to have won the “debate.” Who he imagines is fooled by this, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2001, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/3 "2001-01-27T00:59:38Z")
Oh, I dunno… I think it’s kinda cute when the tips of his ears get all red and twitchy and he scrunches up his face — _you know_ — how he gets right before he starts building his straw men? It’s just so damn _funny_ to see his forehead crease up after you reprimand him for his hijinks. [50’s television dad]_ **Oh, that Ryan!** _[/50’s tv dad] ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2001, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/4 "2001-01-27T01:39:18Z")
I can’t beleive I wasted my time talking to that guy. ---
**Author:** ![oldscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@oldscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldscratch)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2001, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/5 "2001-01-27T04:26:28Z")
He’s one of the few posters I actively dislike. I’ve never been motivated enough to actually start a pit thread about him, but since it’s here. Yeah he’s an ass. His stupid word games are pointless. Even when he’s arguing my point, I really don’t want him responding, as he detracts from the civility and manages to frequently sidetrack debates. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2001, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/6 "2001-01-27T06:08:02Z")
Even when we _agree_ I have the overwhelming urge to kick the living shit out of him - it’s just that posting style of his. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2001, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/7 "2001-01-27T18:31:58Z")
What creeps me out even more is that when first seeing him post–given the username and some profile info–I thought that it might have been a friend of mine who I didn’t know visited here. Subesequent jackassery has proved me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/8 "2001-01-28T06:06:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ENugent \* > [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=56572) is only the latest example of your willful disregard of both basic courtesy and logic in your neverending need to have the last word. Strange. You have no quotes to support your assertion, just a link. > [@](#): > > Your hair-splitting over word choice while refusing to even look at the actual thrust of arguments is frustrating beyond words. That’s ridiculous. It was **Jodi** that was doing the hair-spltting, over “discriminating” and “expressing one’s belief that one should discriminate”, as if they were somehow different. > [@](#): > > Insulting other posters because you don’t understand their arguments is _not_ an acceptable debating tactic! If you can find a single insult directed at another poster by me in that thread (and no, me asking Jodi to pay attention to what I am saying is **not** an insult), I will apologize. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/9 "2001-01-28T06:15:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jodi \* > In his world, it apparently is. See, how it works is: you act like a dickhead; then people tell you “I won’t talk to you if you act like a dickhead;” Again, I find the lack of any evidence strange. I would like to remind you that you said: > [@](#): > > If you wish to introduce a hypothetical discussion, that’s fine by me, but you can hardly object that I have failed to stick with hypotheticals when, until now, there have been none introduced. This was **after** Doreen had said: > [@](#): > > If they don’t need to prove anything for the exemption, then any organization, formed for any purpose (homeowners association,for example) could say “We don’t believe “x” people are equal,that belief is important to us, and therefore we don’t have to accept “x” people as members” and be exempt from anti-discrimination laws. Which is obviously a hypothetical situation. When I called you on your error, you got pissy and refused to continue the discussion. You also said: > [@](#): > > No, actually, it was not. Your initial quote speaks of “their” discriminatory attitude, “they” obviously referring to the BSA. You then substitute “x” for “homosexuals” two attempts to tell me what I was saying. So you state an obviously falsehood, get annoyed when I point it out, and brazenly rewrite my post, then call **me** a dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/10 "2001-01-28T06:25:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by xenophon41 \* > Oh, I dunno… I think it’s kinda cute when the tips of his ears get all red and twitchy and he scrunches up his face — _you know_ — how he gets right before he starts building his straw men? Yeah, I remember when you accused my of using a straw man: > [@](#): > > Your interpretation is that, since I’m asserting that the laws which will not be applied equally (“equal protection”) deal with Affirmative Action preferences (“special treatment”) I therefore think the two are indistinguishable concepts?! Which is kind of ironic. I mean, here you are basically accusing me of using a straw man, and in doing so attribute a logical argument I did not present! Prior to that, you said: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Again, this is wrong. They aren’t asking for protection; they’re asking for special treatment. > > Actually, The Ryan, in this case they are the same. If, after that statement, saying that you believe they are the same is a straw man, then saying that Bush is against abortion must be a straw man. What is all the more amazing is that I repeatedly asked you to explain what I was missing, and you refused, insisting that I was intentionally not getting the point. How can you complain about other people not understanding your position, when you refuse to clear up misconceptions of it that arise? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/11 "2001-01-28T06:46:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > I can’t beleive I wasted my time talking to that guy. Yeah, can you believe that after such statements as > [@](#): > > What I said was that I thought abortion was morally wrong except in instances of rape or medical necessity. I also said that I realize that I have no right to to inflict my personal morality upon another, and force her to carry a baby she doesn’t want. > [@](#): > > I support a ban abortions after the 1st trimester, with the exception of medical necessity as determined by a qualified physician. > [@](#): > > I see no conflict as I do not seek to have my personal opinion made law. > [@](#): > > In a rape case, the trauma of carrying an attacker’s child may also make an abortion a necessary choice. > [@](#): > > Due to a careless reading of the Op by others, I was mischaracterized as a prolifer. > [@](#): > > If a woman had been raped, and decided after 8 months that she wanted an abortion, I would not favor a law that would allow her one. > [@](#): > > It is just for such reasons as you suggested that I am reluctantly pro-choice. > [@](#): > > I am nonetheless pro-choice, fully supporting a women’s right to have an abortion for whatever reason she sees fit, no matter how little I like it. I still couldn’t figure out what Scylla’s position was? Can anyone who hasn’t read the thread tell me what Scylla’s position is? (People who have read the thread are excluded because they would probably just repeat the last thing he said). Early on in the thread I asked > [@](#): > > Are there cases in which you think that a rape victim should be allowed to get an abortion, but a non-rape victim in the same situation should not be allowed to get an abortion? A simple yes or no question. Yet Scylla absolutely refused to answer it, instead giving evasive half-answers like “I would not support a special exception for rape or incest victims after the first trimester, other than as deemd by a qualified physician as medically necessary.” And when I said that that didn’t answer my question, what did he do? He **repeated it**. As if a half-answer given twice is somehow equal to a full answer given once. I just can’t comprehend the gall of people who make contradictory statements, are disdainful of requests for clarification, and then complain that their opponents are being unreasonable. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/12 "2001-01-28T06:50:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by oldscratch \* > I’ve never been motivated enough to actually start a pit thread about him, No, just to devote a sig to me. Damn, you showed me! > [@](#): > > His stupid word games are pointless. This from someone who tried to make it sound like I believe that goldfish rule the US. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/13 "2001-01-28T07:00:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > Even when we _agree_ I have the overwhelming urge to kick the living shit out of him - it’s just that posting style of his. You mean my non-knee-jerk-liberalism? Must be really irrating to someone with attitudes like yours, such as that any homosexual who does not agree with the homosexual agenda is a hypocrite (and yes, he **did** , for all intents and purposes, refer to a set of political positions as the homosexual agenda). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/14 "2001-01-28T07:05:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Myrr21 \* > Subesequent jackassery has proved me wrong. Well, that’s 0 for 7 on support for claims. But I have to wonder at the validity of not only your evidence but also your conclusions. You do not seem to have any problem siding with jackasses, so I don’t see my alleged jackassery as proving me not to be your friend. ---
**Author:** ![oldscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@oldscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldscratch)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/15 "2001-01-28T07:08:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > His stupid word games are pointless. > > This from someone who tried to make it sound like I believe that goldfish rule the US. \*\* Like I said. I never tried to make it sound like that. I tried to get you to admit that they had control over the united states, which you later admitted. Dumbfuck. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/16 "2001-01-28T07:36:21Z")
Hmmm, took every single one of our posts, seperately, and dissected them line by line. :rolleyes: If you’re looking for cites, you just gave us a thread full of them, **Ryan** - thanks. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/17 "2001-01-28T08:03:36Z")
Dear sweet Jesus. That was classic jackassery. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/18 "2001-01-28T08:13:00Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s ridiculous. It was Jodi that was doing the hair-spltting, over “discriminating” and “expressing one’s belief that one should discriminate”, as if they were somehow different. They are different. The first is an action and the other is a statement describing the value of an action. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/19 "2001-01-28T08:45:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by oldscratch \* > Like I said. I never tried to make it sound like that. I tried to get you to admit that they had control over the united states, which you later admitted. I said that they have **some** control. You kept dropping the word “some” from your quotations of my position. I really don’t see anything ridiculous in believing that goldfish influence the actions of Americans, albeit in very small amounts. I would like to point out that while I have provided quotes and arguments, you guys have responded with simple insults. I know this is the Pit and all, but that just means you **can** be assholes, not that you **have** to. Do you have anything more than subjective impressions and baseless accusations to indict me? Monty: > [@](#): > > They are different. The first is an action and the other is a statement describing the value of an action. No, _expressing_ a belief is **not** a statement. It is an action. ---
**Author:** ![oldscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@oldscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldscratch)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2001, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928/20 "2001-01-28T08:49:47Z")
bum bum bum bum actually what we have to indict you is that not a single poster on this board likes you, appreciates your arguments, or thinks you add to a debate. Ok, I take that back. After all, there was a single poster that thought circumsion caused the worlds woes, so it’s possible that one or two like you. The vast majority do not. and I’d just like to finish by saying bum bum bum bum Disect THAT! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ryan-you-are-not-cute/51928.md?page=2)