# The Salvation Army - Bunch of unethical, holier-than-thou ASSHOLES **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 6, 2002, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059 "2002-10-06T11:48:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/41 "2002-10-07T15:40:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beeblebrox \* > **I think we are forgetting the real danger here. The Salvation Army is an international organization with operations on every continent with the exception of Antartica.** I **KNEW** it! - They explicitly told me my money would be going to help Macaroni and Chinstrap penguins! the heartless lying unethical BASTARDS! BULLSHIT, IT’S ALL BULLSHIT. ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/42 "2002-10-07T15:49:04Z")
> [@](#): > > “Aww, look at them, they’re helping people”. Not many see what goes on behind the scenes. Be advised, it’s more sinister then what appears. Well, they are called the _Salvation **ARMY** _, after all. Maybe they’ve in cahoots with Bin Laden’s gang or something, and Omni has the inside skinny. Details, Omni, **DETAILS!!!** OK, Let me guess. You are you presently undercover with the FBI, CIA, MI6, CSIS, PLO, MENSA and last but not least, NAMBLA. You’re in the middle of a sting and you just decided to leak a “little info?” Maybe CNN would like to hear your insight! Sounds big! ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/43 "2002-10-07T15:57:24Z")
Now the United Way has a rich tradition of ethically challenged leadership (and yet **another** row has been detailed by the washington post lately- you would think after all of the bad headlines they got a couple of years ago they would have fixed that crap) after reading the actual cases against their former CEO and his sleazy cronies in non-profit law class I vowed never to give them a dime. And I haven’t. The Salvation Army (while a bit preachy) does good work with those who need it most. I gladly kick into the kettle and will continue to do so. The “trust me” school of cite is intersting. I know about the United Way’s plan to convert us to satan worshiping cannibals. My cite is based on the doctrine of “Again, I’m still too close to the situation to be THAT out!” Me too. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/44 "2002-10-07T17:00:12Z")
Hmm, I’m finding it very interesting that so many people here are so quick to assume that the Salvation Army has little or no corruption, and is exactly as they present themselves to the public. What happened to that keen edge of skepticism and cynicism that Dopers are so famous for? Or are you all just having too much fun poking fun at **Omnipresent** to really think about what he’s saying? ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/45 "2002-10-07T17:03:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Omnipresent \* > blows in a disgraceful manner (party’s, soft money etc) that the “donator” is completely unaware. Omni, I beg you, if you do NOTHING else, tell us about the raucous and criminal party’s [sic] that the Salvation Army are holding. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/46 "2002-10-07T17:05:06Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Omnipresent** _ - > But, since people have taken the time to respond, that proves they’ve thought about this. That was the goal! Yes, I’ve thought about it all right. All I can come up with was “what a steaming pile of dog feces the original post was!” If that was your goal, congratulations. ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/47 "2002-10-07T17:09:15Z")
Featherlou, Someone has to prove they are guilty. Not assume it or “take their word for it.” The Sally-Ann’s reputation has far more creditibilty with me than **Omnipresents** , who either can’t or is unwilling to back anything up or give particulars. That just don’t cut it on the SDMB… even in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/48 "2002-10-07T17:49:35Z")
> [@](#): > > But, since people have taken the time to respond, that proves they’ve thought about this. That was the goal! You’re right, I hadn’t thought about it in a while. But since I now have, thanks to you . . . _:: writes check to the Salvation Army ::_ ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/49 "2002-10-07T18:04:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MarsDragon \* > \*\*\>As for their lifestyle, well frankly, it appears to be even more > \> service-oriented than the Mormons. > bummer of a comparison…I’m LDS and I’ve supplied/served food at the local SA. Several others there were LDS. Everyone doing their best to help, lots of nice karma. \*\* I did not mean to denigrate the mormons at all, but rather hold them out as a group with a high standard of service. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/50 "2002-10-07T18:53:34Z")
[Charlton Heston] Salvation Army is PEOPLE [/Charlton Heston] ---
**Author:** ![Pabitel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbce88/32.png) [@Pabitel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pabitel)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/51 "2002-10-07T19:27:24Z")
I don’t know about any internal abuses. I do know that SA spent tens of thousands of dollars on deceptive advertising to defeat a local anti-discrimination law because it would have outlawed discrimination based on sexual orientation. Since then I have been content that if they can afford to drop that much cash just to make sure homosexuals can still get kicked out of apartments by ignorant rednecks they can do without my loose change. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/52 "2002-10-07T19:40:05Z")
Now _that_ is what I would call an excellent point to kick around at GD or in the pit, **Degrance**. Still, given the degree of good works they do, I (as a liberal humanist) would still be likely to continue my support of their charitable works. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/53 "2002-10-07T19:52:51Z")
What was deceptive about it? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_The\_Diver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Buck\_The\_Diver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_The_Diver)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/54 "2002-10-07T20:03:19Z")
Hey, everybody! **Omnipresent** is really Osama bin Laden! Can’t give you a cite, just knowledge from the inside. That’ll have to do. It will come to light soon. But I won’t be the type to say “I told you so.” Sorry for the lack of hard-core evidence. Again, I’m still too close to the situation to be THAT out! More will come out in public eventually. :wally ---
**Author:** ![Pabitel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbce88/32.png) [@Pabitel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pabitel)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/55 "2002-10-07T20:27:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*What was deceptive about it? \*\* They used the, “It would be giving special rights to perverts” attack that seems so popular when this issue arrises. Which is deceptive because it isn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/56 "2002-10-07T20:29:47Z")
Hold it. Do I have “STUPID” written on my forehead? Maybe you’re being deceptive about what the ad really said. Special rights to perverts? Dubious. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/57 "2002-10-07T20:31:20Z")
(How many people heard Rob’s voice?) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/58 "2002-10-07T20:35:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by featherlou \* > \*\*. Every charity in North America has presidents, vice presidents, boards, staff, rent, utilities, fund-raising costs, etc, etc, etc. \*\* Not all charity boards are compensated. My organization For Ex: Board members are not compensated. The biggest cost factor we have is staff salaries/fringes (yea, I don’t work for free, but I make roughly 2/3’s of a comperable position in the marketplace). and that staff time is doing charitible work, for the most part. THe next biggest cost factor (and this goes into that administrative overhead that so worreid **Anthacite** ) includes insurances and accounting/audit costs (that takes up about 10% of my annual budget). Audits are pretty expensive (no snickering from the Arthur Anderson group) - even for my very small non profit, with pretty straight forward tax returns and so on, it’s about 4% of the annual budget. ---
**Author:** ![Omnipresent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8c91f0/32.png) [@Omnipresent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omnipresent)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/59 "2002-10-07T20:37:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Skip \* > \*\* > So I’m calling you out: Put up or shut up. \*\* Sorry Pal, can’t right now. BTW, how is former Comm. Gaither? ---
**Author:** ![Omnipresent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8c91f0/32.png) [@Omnipresent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omnipresent)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059/60 "2002-10-07T20:53:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Degrance \* > \*\*I don’t know about any internal abuses. I do know that SA spent tens of thousands of dollars on deceptive advertising to defeat a local anti-discrimination law because it would have outlawed discrimination based on sexual orientation. Since then I have been content that if they can afford to drop that much cash just to make sure homosexuals can still get kicked out of apartments by ignorant rednecks they can do without my loose change. \*\* Careful Degrance. Be very careful here. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-salvation-army-bunch-of-unethical-holier-than-thou-assholes/131059.md?page=4)