# The Sandman TV Show thread (See OP for spoiler policy) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, netflix\ **Created:** [August 5, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145 "2022-08-05T15:39:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/201 "2022-08-31T16:16:51Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > I wonder how much of a difference it makes whether you’re already familiar with the story from the comic book or not. My wife and daughter haven’t read the comics, and they liked the episode. ---
**Author:** ![Oswald\_Bastable](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oswald_bastable/32/214_2.png) [@Oswald\_Bastable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oswald_Bastable)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/202 "2022-08-31T18:13:41Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > I wonder how much of a difference it makes whether you’re already familiar with the story from the comic book or not. It’s a small sample size, but I’ve heard multiple people who’ve read the comics praise the episode as a good adaptation, and multiple people who are first time watchers not really liking it that much. I’ve never read the comic books personally. I have read the graphic novels, but not since the mid-90s. 🤷 OB ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/203 "2022-08-31T18:38:36Z")
Not comic book reader. Yet. Loved the diner episode. Up until it got graphic which I felt actually reduced the efficacy of the horror. Until then yes vey Twilight Zone like but in a good way. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/204 "2022-08-31T19:36:37Z")
I read the comics. This was never one of my favorite stories anyway. But I thought the adaptation wasn’t quite as horrifying if that’s what you want from it. ---
**Author:** ![DocFumblerooski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/docfumblerooski/32/11863_2.png) [@DocFumblerooski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocFumblerooski)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/205 "2022-09-01T18:39:53Z")
WHAT AN AMAZING SHOW!!! I had read the comics in the 1990s and had always hoped to someday see it brought to life on film. But that said, you always have a bit of trepidation when it comes to seeing a favorite story brought to a new medium. My initial enthusiasm was shook a bit when I saw members of the cast and who they were playing. But I took a deep breath and held off on any judgements until Season One came out, I was hopeful it would be true to the comics because Neil Gaiman, himself, was one of the producers. I shouldn’t have worried. The casting was one of the strengths of the show. First off, Tom Sturridge as Dream was _PERFECTION_ . It’s hard for me to imagine anyone better than Sturridge in this iconic role. I will admit that I was skeptical of the gender-swapping which took place in the casting of Dream’s Librarian, Lucienne. But the actress _perfectly captured_ the character’s essence. _I loved her! What an amazing performance_ . Recently when I looked back through the graphic novels, I had _her voice in my head_ when I saw Lucienne. And, of course, there’s Death. I was more than a little surprised when I learned prior to the show’s NETFLIX premeire that she wasn’t going to be the cute White goth girl we got in the comics. _But Kirby Howell-Baptiste’s performance blew me away. Once again, she was absolutely perfect in the role._ The entire cast was wonderful. Jenna Coleman was great as Joanna. I also was impressed with David Thewlis (as John Dee), Boyd Holbrook (as The Corinthian) and Mason Alexander Park (as Desire.) My only minor ‘quibble’ was with Gwendoline Christie as Lucifer Morningstar. While she was fine, a young actor who was a David Bowie clone would have been the perfect choice. Anyhoo, this series was one of the best shows I’ve seen in a long, long time. What’s great about it is that it’s one of those shows that ‘sticks with you’ and keeps you thinking about it long after the episodes are over. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/206 "2022-09-01T19:33:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m surprised so many people are down on the diner episode, I thought it was amazing. Incredible tension throughout. Me too. I’m not familiar with the material. I didn’t know what was coming but I knew it was going to be bad. That gave me delicious feeling of dread throughout most the episode. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/207 "2022-09-02T11:52:22Z")
I generally loved the revised diner scene, although I think the ending for the diner patrons was rushed after the slow build-up of tension. The previous episode with the car journey, though, was brilliant. I’d read the comic; my wife hadn’t. Knowing how the comic book version ended put my blood pressure through the roof throughout, whereas my wife was engaged but not nearly as tense. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/208 "2022-09-02T16:10:48Z")
> [@Tfletch1](#): > > Me too. I’m not familiar with the material. I didn’t know what was coming but I knew it was going to be bad. That gave me delicious feeling of dread throughout most the episode. I haven’t read the comics since the mid-to-late nineties, so I have only a few scattered memories, and the Diner wasn’t one of them. Throughout that episode, all I knew was that John Dee was _the worst_, and that he was going to do something very bad. And he did. His brand of villainy is perfect. He has a vision for the future of humanity, and it’s a profoundly stupid vision, but he thinks he’s a genius. So he quietly and subtly implements his vision. When it turns out that his vision doesn’t create utopia, he doesn’t say, “Huh, maybe I’m not the genius I thought I was, lemme back off.” Instead, he gets petulant and throws a temper tantrum that results in horrific violence to those around him. That’s like every ideological dictator ever. The diner was a tiny vignette of Stalin’s USSR and Mussolini’s Italy. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/209 "2022-09-02T16:14:01Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That’s like every ideological dictator ever. The diner was a tiny vignette of Stalin’s USSR and Mussolini’s Italy. Yes! I loved it. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/210 "2022-09-04T11:37:55Z")
I didn’t love the episode. But i never loved the twilight zone, either. I thought the gore diminished it, but the rest was well done. The scariest part was in the car, i thought. I did think John Dee played the role very well. He was believable. (Not familiar with the comics.) > [@DocFumblerooski](#): > > My only minor ‘quibble’ was with Gwendoline Christie as Lucifer Morningstar. While she was fine, a young actor who was a David Bowie clone would have been the perfect choice. Ooh, yes. I didn’t love the casting of Lucifer, either. But agree that she was fine, and that young David Bowie would have been better. I did like Mazikeen. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/211 "2022-09-05T15:02:01Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > He has a vision for the future of humanity, and it’s a profoundly stupid vision, but he thinks he’s a genius. So he quietly and subtly implements his vision. When it turns out that his vision doesn’t create utopia, he doesn’t say, “Huh, maybe I’m not the genius I thought I was, lemme back off.” Instead, he gets petulant and throws a temper tantrum that results in horrific violence to those around him. HIs vision for humanity. Note panel 4. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2ZfebsXoAMjIrR.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2ZfebsXoAMjIrR.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/212 "2022-09-05T16:13:41Z")
is that John Dee in the comic? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/213 "2022-09-05T16:15:14Z")
Yeah. That’s the last panel before the reveal that the white void he’s standing in is Dream’s hand. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/214 "2022-09-18T23:59:45Z")
We just watched episode…9, i think. Wow. I hope there’s a nice ending, and they don’t end the season on a cliffhanger. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/215 "2022-09-19T00:05:26Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I hope there’s a nice ending, and they don’t end the season on a cliffhanger. I think you’ll be satisfied. Some threads are left dangling. And there’s a mostly unrelated bonus episode at the end. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/216 "2022-09-19T00:18:40Z")
I want more bonus episodes! ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/217 "2022-09-19T03:04:10Z")
Heheh, me too. I personally loved Gwendoline Christie’s Lucifer. ETA: Hehehe, and now I realize the second sentence is open to many levels of interpretation. I’m letting it sit there, but to clarify: I thought the casting was great. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/218 "2022-09-20T00:22:53Z")
I’ve gone back to the Audible audioplay, picking up where the TV show left off. Season of Mist is the next big storyline and honestly, I’m not sure how great it would adapt to TV. It’s a bunch of beings all haggling to control Hell. It was kind of interesting to listen to, but not something that would be visually all that interesting. I’m not sure what they should do if they come back. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/219 "2022-09-20T09:34:03Z")
I’m looking forward to the scene where Gwendolyn Christie morphs into Tom Ellis. Is joke, although the initial premise of the show _Lucifer_ is based on (here be spoilers from the comic book for likely future _Sandman_ show plot points) Lucifer quitting Hell with Mazikeen in tow and opening a club in LA called “Lux” where s/he also plays piano. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/220 "2022-09-20T17:56:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m looking forward to the scene where Gwendolyn Christie morphs into Tom Ellis. For a bonus episode, they should do a shot-for-shot remake of the pilot episode of _Lucifer_, except it’s a eight foot tall Gwendoline Christie instead of Tom Ellis. Nobody references it or appears to notice that anything’s unusual about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145.md?page=12)