# The Sandman TV Show thread (See OP for spoiler policy) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, netflix\ **Created:** [August 5, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145 "2022-08-05T15:39:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/221 "2022-09-24T01:26:56Z")
I’m really liking Gwendoline Christie as Lucifer. (I think we have one episode left.) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/222 "2022-09-24T01:45:36Z")
She was OK, but I’m listening to the audible version and Michael Sheen is Lucifer. His laid-back apathy is great, though perhaps it is just the section of the story I’m in. I await seeing Christie in the second season of the show. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/223 "2022-09-30T02:27:22Z")
We finally finished season 1. I hope there’s a season 2. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/224 "2022-09-30T02:33:05Z")
I’ll spoiler-box below as it involves the future of the show based on the comics. I am not too thrilled that much about season 2 or 3 if they are: Really about the Lucifer abandoning Hell or about the Barbie storyline. The Barbie storyline is supposed to be gripping? Dream is barely in it. No way. It might be better not to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/225 "2022-10-14T09:53:49Z")
A few things having now finished the show (though not the second part of bonus episode), original comic reader (though long forgotten it). The diner episode, well, they wimped out on that, as far as I can remember. I remember thinking it was one of the most disturbing comics I’d read at the time, and it stuck with me for years. He killed them off far too quickly. Still, it got the dread in it, but was too slow given the build up to the horror I was expecting. The time it was set. Obviously the comic was written late 80s and early 90s, and even at that, the bit where they were supposed to meet at the pub, was in 1989, and had all the yuppie stuff in there. But it the technology seemed to flip between early 2000s to now. I thought it was about 2003, there was lots of flip phones and no smart phones, until the girl video calls her friend in the diner. The phone used by Jed’s foster parents was prime 1990s long wire one. I guess it added to the unusual nature, like It follows, but it confused me as to where it was set. It should have been set in the 90s, kind of, from the comics. It’s not a biggie (like the Punisher in recent series not being broken from the Vietnam war, or whatever Hells Kitchen is nowadays in New York from Daredevil), just weird. Normally Morpheus would have only just missed the meeting at the pub. Which does mean Unity Kincaid was perhaps perhaps in her 90s in the comic, rather than the near 120 in the series, which is a bit strange too. Constantine. Ok, I’m always kind of miffed if they don’t make them a nasty scouse smoker, I’m less bothered by it being Joanna this time. However, the inference was it was the SAME Joanna from the 16th century who seems immortal just kind of baffled me. It was definitely two distinct characters in the comic, the idea being there was many Constantines over the years, and some might have long lives, but it wasn’t the same person. It left it as that. I liked their version of Lucifer. I reckon there should be much more Dream with the black stars for eyes. But overall, happy with it ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/226 "2022-10-14T10:05:40Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > there was lots of flip phones and no smart phones Flip phones are back in, so these are not mutually exclusive categories… > [@Smid](#): > > However, the inference was it was the SAME Joanna from the 16th century who seems immortal just kind of baffled me. I did not get that impression. It seemed very much like the modern one was not the same person, just looked the same. She had no recall of Morpheus, for one thing. Plus she seemed fairly novice in the exorcism flashback. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/227 "2022-10-14T10:35:50Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Flip phones are back in, so these are not mutually exclusive categories… Do you mean the flip smart phones, or the flip motorola one like the one I had around 2002, which I saw Unity use? And as for Joanna, they used the SAME actress with same name for both of them, I don’t think they could have made that any more confusing. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/228 "2022-10-14T12:10:43Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Do you mean the flip smart phones, or the flip motorola one like the one I had around 2002, which I saw Unity use? The phone I saw Unity use didn’t look like an old form factor. It looked like a modern phone. I think a Samsung, hard to read the name that’s visible on the back when she’s talking to Rose and having tea with the Corinthian. Not Motorola, though. Judy uses a Motorola, all right - a _modern_ Motorola razr, also a foldable smartphone. . ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/229 "2022-10-14T12:40:17Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > And as for Joanna, they used the SAME actress with same name for both of them, I don’t think they could have made that any more confusing. Yeah. I realized they were different people mostly because i read it here. I had to explain that to my husband. I think they do intend them to be different, but it’s confusing. > [@Smid](#): > > The diner episode, well, they wimped out on that, as far as I can remember. I remember thinking it was one of the most disturbing comics I’d read at the time Well thank God, then. I don’t like horror, and when we decided to let my daughter catch up and watch the rest together, i skipped that episode when she got to it. (I rewatched the others.) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/230 "2022-10-14T14:53:44Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > However, the inference was it was the SAME Joanna from the 16th century who seems immortal just kind of baffled me. It was definitely two distinct characters in the comic, the idea being there was many Constantines over the years, and some might have long lives, but it wasn’t the same person. It left it as that. Huh, is that what they did? I didn’t realize she mentioned it. I thought she was a descendent of that other Johanna and had the same name(and was played by the same actress). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/231 "2022-10-14T15:13:45Z")
Never occurred to me that the two Joannas were the same person. I thought it was obvious that the modern one was a descendant of the older one. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/232 "2022-10-14T15:14:07Z")
Didn’t Dream at one point say that he had dealings with her ancestor? ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/233 "2022-10-14T15:41:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Never occurred to me that the two Joannas were the same person. I thought it was obvious that the modern one was a descendant of the older one. The one from the middle ages had lived more than a century and the inference there was she was immortal, as far as I remember. She’d seen Morpheus a 100 years before, and tried to capture him that time, looking EXACTLY the same as 100 years before, and in modern ages. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/234 "2022-10-14T15:45:49Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > The one from the middle ages had lived more than a century and the inference there was she was immortal, as far as I remember. She’d seen Morpheus a 100 years before, and tried to capture him that time, looking EXACTLY the same as 100 years before, and in modern ages I don’t remember that at all. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/235 "2022-10-14T15:54:41Z")
Well, she didn’t try and capture him in modern ages, but she looked the same as the middle aged version. I just went back and looked, and it appeared that someone was drawing him in 1689, and she came to get him in 1789, so I think I misread that or interpreted something else I can’t quite place. Perhaps in my dreams… Maybe because she wanted to become immortal. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/236 "2022-10-14T16:21:06Z")
Yeah I didn’t experience any confusion at all. The past Constantine ended up working with Dream on multiple occasions over multiple decades. The modern one had no idea who Dream was, did not recognize him. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/237 "2022-10-15T16:40:50Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > However, the inference was it was the SAME Joanna from the 16th century who seems immortal just kind of baffled me. It was definitely two distinct characters in the comic, the idea being there was many Constantines over the years, and some might have long lives, but it wasn’t the same person. It left it as that. It was two distinct characters here. Morpheus mentions his interaction with her ancestor to the later incarnation. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/238 "2022-10-16T04:36:33Z")
A this point a “real” Constantine would have to be set in the 80’s. Nasty Scouse smoker that is. Given Keanu, …and whatever CW thing they had… and Johanna now… and how in comics John is part of some dreadful shite called Justice League Dark…I doubt we ever see a ‘real JC’. Pity. I think a period piece would be a massive success. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/239 "2022-12-24T01:00:11Z")
Bumping this because I finally finished every episode, and the English graduate in me has too acknowledge an Easter egg that made me literally gasp in pleasure. When Gilbert - and Stephen Fry was _exactly_ the right actor to play him - is driving Rose to the hotel to get Jed, they talk about travel. Gilbert says, “The object of travel is not to set foot in a foreign land, but at last to set foot in your own country as a foreign land.” That’s not from the Gaiman novel, that’s a quote from G.K. Chesterton’s sketch “The Riddle of the Ivy”, when he tells a friend that he’s going to France and Germany in order to find Battersea. When the friend points out that Chesterton’s already _in_ Battersea, he replies that he can’t see it: _I cannot see any Battersea here; I cannot see any London or any England. I cannot see that door. I cannot see that chair: because a cloud of sleep and custom has come across my eyes. The only way to get back to them is to go somewhere else; and that is the real object of travel and the real pleasure of holidays. Do you suppose that I go to France in order to see France? Do you suppose that I go to Germany in order to see Germany? I shall enjoy them both; but it is not them that I am seeking. I am seeking Battersea. The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one’s own country as a foreign land._ It’s a very Chestertonian idea, and one of his famous paradoxes, and I was delighted that the writers acknowledged - as Gaiman has openly admitted - that Gilbert was based on the English writer. As someone who’s read a lot of, and was once very influenced by Chesterton, it made my very happy. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/240 "2023-09-12T09:27:26Z")
Bringing this one forward, because I learned today that The Sandman season 1 will be released this fall: > **[The Sandman Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray and DVD](https://www.cbr.com/the-sandman-season-1-coming-to-blu-ray-and-dvd/)** > > Ahead of the show’s return, all eleven episodes of Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman Season 1 will be released on digital, 4K, Blu-ray, and DVD.  From the item: > [@](#): > > Per [Comic Book Movie](https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/the-sandman/netflixs-the-sandman-is-coming-to-blu-ray-later-this-year-release-date-and-special-features-revealed-a205510), _The Sandman_: _The Complete First Season_ will be available to purchase digitally on Sept. 18, followed by its 4K Ultra HD, Blu-ray, and DVD release on Nov. 28 from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment. … Glad to hear it, because it was unavailable to me on first-run (no local streaming service carried it). I’ll get the DVD, of course. I’m familiar with the story, having read all the books, a few times, and I wanted to see the TV show. Looks like I’ll be able to in November. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145.md?page=13)