# The Sandman TV Show thread (See OP for spoiler policy) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, netflix\ **Created:** [August 5, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145 "2022-08-05T15:39:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/61 "2022-08-10T16:08:02Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > It’s just then once Dream is back on the scene it feels John’s remaining story is hurried along to get to the next issue? One thing to remember is that when Gaiman started working on the comic, he expected that it would be cancelled before 12 issues. So he wrote the original story arcs with the idea that they needed to be wrapped up quickly. He didn’t want to leave anything hanging. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/62 "2022-08-10T16:10:55Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Dream comes off monotonously flatly matter of fact, sadly weary with little variation or energy. Yes, this. That was kind of an issue with the comics, that for somebody in charge of wildly imaginative dreamscapes, Morpheus acts so wooden. In flashbacks, he is more interested in his role, but eventually gets more weary of the responsibility. Death said she went through the same phase herself in episode 6. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/63 "2022-08-10T19:54:23Z")
Funny enough he’s more sympathetic and relatable here in the TV series just from seeing the first two eps. I don’t think its a spoiler to say that there’s several issues (like the diner one) where he only appears in one scene. I wonder if they will tray and avoid that. If not…well I hope Sturridge brings a good book to filming. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/64 "2022-08-10T22:54:57Z")
When I am done with season 1 of this show, I’d like to return back to the audible recordings. They just released act 2 in the past months. Here is the description on their site: > [@](#): > > Act II of the audio series _The Sandman_ adapts collected volumes 4 (_Season of Mists_ ) and 5 (_A Game of You_ ) of the comics in their entirety, and most of volume 6 (_Fables & Reflections_ ). Would that pick up more or less the exact spot Season 1 of the show finishes? Or do I need to go back to Act 1 of the audible recordings to pick up some parts not adapted on the show? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/65 "2022-08-11T05:08:16Z")
Ep 3: Far as I can tell, Johanna Constantine is much less at fault then her comic counterpart for what happened to Astra. Havent seen the Keanu Constantine movie…but did I see Johanna pick up a crossbow and throw it aside? They are really, curiously, cutting back on the horror here. The Astra encounter is much more intense, and I don’t even mean the demon dog butt-sex…and the getting to Rachel was much more horrific. All that said…ep3 was great. I’d watch the hell out of a Johanna Constantine series, but we’d really need to see more of her arrogance then her cowardice. IMHO Oh yeah…I havent heard anyone mention the music yet. Here or in YT videos. Love it. Morpheus has his own little heartbreaking motif. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/66 "2022-08-11T07:18:11Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > They are really, curiously, cutting back on the horror here. The Astra encounter is much more intense, and I don’t even mean the demon dog butt-sex None of that was ever in _The Sandman_ itself, though, just _Hellblazer_. So if they choose to show a greatly abbreviated sanitized version of the story, it’s still _more_ than was in _this_ comic. Also, this version is a dream, not a memory, so some editing is par for the course. > [@Pavelb1](#): > > the getting to Rachel was much more horrific Dad-smeared walls and talking dream-slime aren’t essential to that part of the story, I think. But if you felt that level of gore was missing, you’ll get some that _wasn’t_ in the comic, in a later episode. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/67 "2022-08-11T09:39:41Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Its tag line was, “I will show you terror in a hand full of dust.” Are you sure it wasn’t “I will show you _fear_ in a handful of dust”? Because it’s a line from TS Eliot’s “The Waste Land”. > [@](#): > > What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow > Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man, > You cannot say, or guess, for you know only > A heap of broken images, where the sun beats, > And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief, > And the dry stone no sound of water. Only > There is shadow under this red rock, > (Come in under the shadow of this red rock), > And I will show you something different from either > Your shadow at morning striding behind you > Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; > I will show you fear in a handful of dust. Regarding jokes: I do hope that they keep Thor’s dinner table joke in the script when they get to that scene. I’ve heard Chris Hemsworth do a sanitized version of it, but it just wasn’t the same. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/68 "2022-08-11T19:30:21Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Are you sure it wasn’t “I will show you _fear_ in a handful of dust”? Because it’s a line from TS Eliot’s “The Waste Land”. You are correct. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/69 "2022-08-11T20:33:37Z")
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**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/70 "2022-08-11T20:37:07Z")
Oh, wow. I _did_ remember correctly. That hardly ever happens. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/71 "2022-08-12T01:45:59Z")
Watched the first three, husband is enjoying it. We’ll watch the rest together. But it might take us several weeks, so i guess I’m leaving the thread. Morpheus doesn’t seem very powerful for an endless. He had to negotiate with humans, and even a raven. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/72 "2022-08-12T07:05:59Z")
I stand corrected. Maybe they didn’t want to pay royalties to the Eliot estate. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Morpheus doesn’t seem very powerful for an endless. He had to negotiate with humans, and even a raven. Well yes. That’s entirely the point of the first half of the season. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyEcks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnnyecks/32/18197_2.png) [@JohnnyEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnnyEcks)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/73 "2022-08-12T13:19:19Z")
Also, he’s constrained a great deal by his own code. He may be theoretically able to do amazing things, but he won’t if it’s against the rules he holds himself to. Wasn’t it highly implied in “The sound of her wings” that he could have escaped any time if he had been willing to ask his family for help? He also could have negotiated with the Magus, who probably would have released him for a fairly low price, or just given his word not to take vengeance on his son. He had the ability to escape- he just wouldn’t use it, and lost a century rather that compromise. Lucifer is the same way- they are the second most powerful being in the universe, but seldom use that power because to win through force would be a meaningless victory. (One-punch man vibes). Instead, their pride requires that they follow the rules. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/74 "2022-08-12T14:25:54Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > might take us several weeks, so i guess I’m leaving the thread. FWIW I’m intentionally slowing myself down and feel I appreciate each episode more that way. That said I’m willing to deal with spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/75 "2022-08-12T14:28:02Z")
It also drives home the longevity of the Endless. Even though Dream was trapped for a century, it was to him a short time. Immortals are wary of forming bonds with short-lived mortals, because they’ll die shortly. Morpheus might have thought it morbidly amusing to watch his captors wither away, knowing they’ll never get what they want from him. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/76 "2022-08-12T14:29:37Z")
Yeah - I had limited myself to one episode each night, after watching the first six over the weekend. I’m starting to appreciate Disney+ and HBOMax’s model of one episode per week. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/77 "2022-08-12T15:33:21Z")
Watching with the wife and daughter basically forces us to one episode a night, with some skipped nights. So only finished “24/7”. I liked all the changes made to that one, I felt they captured the essence of the comic version without needing the exact same specifics for everything. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/78 "2022-08-12T16:11:56Z")
> [@JohnnyEcks](#): > > Wasn’t it highly implied in “The sound of her wings” that he could have escaped any time if he had been willing to ask his family for help? I thought she was saying he could have asked for help recovering his various artifacts, not with the escape itself. Also, this slightly bothers me. Spoilers from episodes 4 & 5: In “A Hope in Hell,” we get, “What can destroy hope?” and Lucifer has no answer, losing the duel. In literally the next episode, we get, “You took their hope away, so of course they went mad and killed themselves.” Good thing Lucifer didn’t know about John Dee, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/79 "2022-08-12T16:17:05Z")
Feeble attempt at fanwank: “Remove” is not “destroy”. Otherwise, the answer is “Dream” since it’s his power that Dee uses. Which is ironic. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyEcks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnnyecks/32/18197_2.png) [@JohnnyEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnnyEcks)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sandman-tv-show-thread-see-op-for-spoiler-policy/969145/80 "2022-08-12T16:30:19Z")
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