No, only that it is illogical to assign responsibility to them while not assigning similar responsibility to gun manufacturers and the buyers who support them. And since the latter group has caused casualties several orders of magnitude higher than the Manhattan Project team, then the severity of that responsibility (assuming one insists on assigning such) should be higher.
There are tons of documents dealing with the invention and decision to use The Bomb. None support this theory.
And that’s two! There we go. Two perfectly safe and laudable uses for a nuclear bomb.
A number of the guys the OP mentions were Jewish and had a substantial degree of both self-interest and altruism going on at the same time in preventing the Germans from getting there first.
By the way, does the OP know that a number of the Manhattan scientists later came out as strong opponents of atomic/nuclear weaponry or (in the case of Oppenheimer and perhaps others) worked (dubiously) to prevent the U.S. from having a nuclear monopoly by spying for the Russians, thereby allowing/ensuring the MAD/detente that has prevailed since then?
Sorry, I didn’t interpret it that way and apparently it was not meant that way.
I’m not being anti-gun here, I am really just disgusted that scientists that helped shorten the war and thus save not only many thousands of American lives but probably many thousands of Japanese lives are being compared to a genocidal killer like Hitler.
To be fair, I never assigned that responsibility to the scientists either. I simply stated that there is legitimate fear with Russia and their nuclear diplomacy and there is none regarding my guns either walking on their own to shoot Mosier or them to be stolen and used to shoot him/her.
If you want to state that I am an enabler and therefore responsbile because I bought a firearm, it seems to me that I am also responsible for drunk driving deaths as I have purchased a beer in my life, drownings as I own a boat, and bludgeonings because I also own a hammer. I also have purchased a car, a five gallon bucket, some raw chicken, a hair dryer, and many other things that have caused deaths in this country.
All of which makes Mosier no more threatened by MY guns.
There’s no legitimate fear that your guns will be stolen and used to kill someone? I admit, the odds of them being used to kill Mosier specifically are infinitesimal, but that’s not the standard being applied to the nukes, where the concern is that millions of vaguely-identified individuals get toasted.
Works for me, or at least logically follows once an absurd premise like the OP’s gets accepted.
Legit? No, not really.
Fair enough as long as you realize that I also do not accept the OP’s premise.
Look, Argent has essentially already admitted that his reaction is completely emotional and has no logical justification. There’s no argument here.
Um, where do you think the black market gets it’s guns in the first place ? Quite often, crooks steal them from homeowners. Guns being stolen and used in murders is quite common, last I heard.
As far as non-military uses of nukes go, I’ll add analyzing the interior of the Earth using the shock waves from a test blast.
I don’t think this is true anymore. A world-destroying nuclear war could only occur if the U.S. and Russia used nukes not only on one another, but on a lot of other nations at the same time. With those two nations no longer regarding each other with the extreme paranoid suspicion of the Cold War, and with the rest of the world no longer divided into two opposing blocs, a nuclear conflict that erupted today would probably be regional, not global.
Um, the question was whether I thought there was a legitimate chance that my guns could be stolen. If you would like to question that assertion, go ahead.
No, the question is if there was a “legitimate fear” that your guns might be stolen and used to kill someone; there is.
And the repeating rifles you love so much are not anti personnel.? They are illegal for hunting. They are to kill civilians, a bunch of them at the same time.
Cite?
IANA scientist (or historian), but I assume that those who participated had been in the field for some time. Like the Olympics: those of us who aren’t sports buffs might only see these events and forget that many of the athletes have been doing this for some time and compete regularly—tennis players go to Grand Slam events, for instance or whatever other matches are out there. So before any government suggested developing a bomb, some of these scientists were probably investigating these strange radioactive materials from a “pure science” perspective, trying to further what was already known.
WAG but once they were chosen to build a bomb, some of what they learned while doing “pure science” must have factored into their decisions. And it wouldn’t surprise me if they learned some things that they couldn’t use for the bomb, but which might have become useful to science at some point in the future. Marie Curie died from doing pure science—IANAD but I have heard that the idea of radiation therapy is that you try to kill the cancerous cells without killing the healthy ones.
I thought I saw a documentary that said Hitler had shipped some nuclear material and/or equipment via submarine to the Japanese, and it was intercepted after (?) V-J day. I don’t know how much technology Germany shared with Japan, how concerned the Allies were about it, etc. The Japanese were working on things like planes that could be launched from submarines, so they weren’t kicking back and taking it easy.
At least until V-E day, the “We better have it before them” attitude works for me. I don’t doubt that Hitler would have used it on his enemies. After V-E day, I don’t know.
To elaborate, do you mean crack heads, general criminals, etc.?
The black market is so far removed from your average criminal it’s laughable. Do you ever hear of people being snuffed by a 30-30?
Is that even a serious question? Of course you do. Well, I do. Apparently you haven’t.
Wait, you don’t have methamphetamine addicts in Iowa? You know, the ones who break into people’s houses and steal stuff so they can buy drugs?
You’re telling me that there’s no chance a tweaker could break into your home when you’re at work, crack open your gun cabinet with a crowbar, and steal your firearms? That it’s simply impossible?
Oh, it’s definatley the prefered weapon on the black market.:rolleyes:
People get snuffed by 50 dollar 25 calibers a tad more, as far as I know.