# The scourge that is the demon weed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 4, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860 "2018-01-04T17:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/61 "2018-01-05T17:50:51Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > With states rolling out their policies, having this on the federal level creates a chilling effect on them. > > California or Colorado, with their well established trade, any individual grower or distributor has little to fear from the fed. If they start cracking down, then it is unlikely that it will be _your_ dispensary that is raided. > > In Ohio, where we are just starting up, it would make sense to raid the first dispensary, to discourage any others. The bigger impact will be on investment in the industry. As you note, it is unlikely they will raid shops in established states like CO and OR. It is _fairly_ unlikely they will raid new shops that might open in states like OH. But it is more likely they would seize the assets of such shops, and it is **very** likely that potential investors will decide not to risk their money due to this threat. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/62 "2018-01-05T17:52:08Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > In my own limited experiments, I tend to be rather cautious when stoned on pot. And why the fuck are you driving when you know you’re stoned? It’s not OK. It’s not fair to the other people who might wind up in an accident with you. Yeah, yeah, I know - stoners drive r-e-a-l-l-y slow. (Or think they do) That doesn’t make it OK. Driving too slow can also be hazardous, not to mention piss off everyone around you. Bottom line: don’t drive when you’re fucked up, regardless of why that is, be it alcohol, pot, prescription drugs, or just plain lack of sufficient sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/63 "2018-01-05T17:53:46Z")
Where the rubber will meet the road is when the Feds descend on **StusBlus** ’s remote mountain dispensary and Hickenlooper either kisses the ring (unlikely) or treats those agents as he would any organized crime syndicate roughing up a mom & pop bakery. That’d be a rich headline: Park County DA Charges Federal “DEA Agents” For Armed Robbery of Local Dispensary. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/64 "2018-01-05T18:10:50Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > In my own limited experiments [during a previous century] … > > And why the fuck are you driving when you know you’re stoned? … Thank you, Mr. Perfect. FWIW my near-accidents have all been while quite sober. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/65 "2018-01-05T18:14:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Instead of capriciously deciding to enforce or not enforce law congress could legalize it. That’s not a terribly hard concept to grasp. 😕 Aren’t you the same **octopus** that roots for Republican electoral success? Don’t you know that rednecks thinking they’re superior to pot-smoking coastal elites is the only reason your ilk wins elections at all? Give up your “moral” sanctimony and it’s all over for you. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/66 "2018-01-05T18:19:02Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Thank you, Mr. Perfect. FWIW my near-accidents have all been while quite sober. :smack: Her imagination rivals Shagnasty’s. I amn’t kidding about that. Dammit, I amn’t kidding. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/67 "2018-01-05T18:24:33Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > Where the rubber will meet the road is when the Feds descend on **StusBlus** ’s remote mountain dispensary and Hickenlooper either kisses the ring (unlikely) or treats those agents as he would any organized crime syndicate roughing up a mom & pop bakery. That’d be a rich headline: Park County DA Charges Federal “DEA Agents” For Armed Robbery of Local Dispensary. It’s not that remote - it’s maybe 30 miles outside of Denver. What is the history of state governors drawing lines in the sand against the fed? In living memory, all I can think of is George Wallace standing in front of Foster Auditorium to keep black students from registering. Aside from segregationist incidents like this, is there a history of active resistance to the fed from state governors? Not lawsuits filed by AGs - that happens all the time - but ballsier stuff like \*\*B-Rad \*\*is talking about? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/68 "2018-01-05T18:24:37Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > The Vermont House just voted to legalize. Ratification by the Senate is not a given but, if it does, the governor is amenable to signing it. It’s fairly accurate to say that New Mexico would already have legalized if it wasn’t for the Tejana in the governor’s office. Considering her unpopularity and the general mood, I don’t see a Republican picking up a third term (she’s term-limited and the most likely candidate on that side is NM-2 Rep. Pearce.) My guess is legalization in NM by 2020, with it probably passing in the longer 2019 legislative session. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/69 "2018-01-05T18:25:45Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 Aren’t you the same **octopus** that roots for Republican electoral success? … He probably won’t be back. He just flops around the board, dropping one line turds in threads, trying to play a hand he doesn’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/70 "2018-01-05T18:35:33Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > He probably won’t be back. He just flops around the board, dropping one line turds in threads, trying to play a hand he doesn’t understand. He struggles to figure out how to play a five-card hand with eight limbs. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/71 "2018-01-05T18:53:06Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > It’s not that remote - it’s maybe 30 miles outside of Denver. Yeah, but it’s nearly all uphill. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/72 "2018-01-05T19:11:51Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > Yeah, but it’s nearly all uphill. 🙂 Ah, you’ve been there I take it! I stopped there on the way back from Mesa Verde. My curiousity drove me to check out the Bigfoot Observation Post or whatever they called it. It was sad, but the pot shop in town was actually pretty impressive. Very responsibly run. Then again, perhaps my expectations were a tad low. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/73 "2018-01-05T20:01:47Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Ah, you’ve been there I take it! > > I stopped there on the way back from Mesa Verde. My curiousity drove me to check out the Bigfoot Observation Post or whatever they called it. It was sad, but the pot shop in town was actually pretty impressive. Very responsibly run. Then again, perhaps my expectations were a tad low. Yeah, I’m in the Denver 'burbs. That’s my experience as well. I mean, it’s obviously not going to be as laid back Robin’s living room where the deals went down 30+ years ago while watching Flintstones. But I’ve been to a number of shops and the gear is well-organized & behind the counter, shop is tidy, customer flow is tightly controlled (one buyer per sales rep), everyone is carded, staff are as well-informed as anyone working in any other kind of specialty boutique. And if you have an issue with anything, exchanges & refunds (in exchange for unused product, of course) are generally hassle-free. Can’t get that vape pod to hit? Swap it out or get store credit. Same with disappointing buds. They’re just so professional, which is somewhat remarkable because you know they have to sample the goods fairly frequently in order to discuss them intelligently. I’m afraid I’d be whacked all the time just trying to stay conversant in my job if I worked there. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/74 "2018-01-05T20:26:25Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > Bingo! We have a winner! The primary purpose of drug enforcement is to incarcerate minorities. For Mr. Sessions this is a very attractive feature. While I’m not discounting that as a covert reason, I still think Sessions’ new crusade against marijuana ultimately boils down to hardcore Christian fundamentalist moralism. His statement “Good people do not use marijuana” indicates a mindset found among the mostly Southern members of the religious right that a puff of grass is an act of communion with Satan. It is an evil that cannot be compromised with but crushed even if it means having to lock up half the state of Colorado. There’s no way you can hope for a rational and reasonably drug policy coming from a zealot like that. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/75 "2018-01-05T20:31:31Z")
I’ll bet Roy Moore never smoked the evil weed. Good Southern Christian. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/76 "2018-01-05T21:02:52Z")
Sessions appears to be operating from the principle that if 30ish percent of the public is with you, you’re definitely on the right track. I cannot imagine where he got such an idea. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/77 "2018-01-05T21:22:52Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Sessions appears to be operating from the principle that if 30ish percent of the public is with you, you’re definitely on the right track. …as long as it’s the _right_ 30% of the public. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/78 "2018-01-05T21:31:31Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 Aren’t you the same **octopus** that roots for Republican electoral success? Don’t you know that rednecks thinking they’re superior to pot-smoking coastal elites is the only reason your ilk wins elections at all? Give up your “moral” sanctimony and it’s all over for you. \ It seems to me that **octopus** has been rather unfairly tarnished as a lock-step Republican. He is definitely more conservative than the fair majority here, but it really is not in the current absolute-denial-of-reality vein that the Trumpists and Republican-or-Die currently espouse. \ ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/79 "2018-01-05T21:34:06Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > …as long as it’s the _right_ 30% of the public. If you take into account that most of the 70% aren’t really _people_ (being disqualified due to perverse political ideology or…other reasons) then 30% is basically a majority! ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/80 "2018-01-05T23:10:37Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > It’s not that remote - it’s maybe 30 miles outside of Denver. > > What is the history of state governors drawing lines in the sand against the fed? In living memory, all I can think of is George Wallace standing in front of Foster Auditorium to keep black students from registering. Aside from segregationist incidents like this, is there a history of active resistance to the fed from state governors? Not lawsuits filed by AGs - that happens all the time - but ballsier stuff like \*\*B-Rad \*\*is talking about? While not exactly in the same spirit as the current debate, Gov. Andrus of Idaho told the feds to take a flying leap at a rolling donut over nuclear waste shipments to the INEL in the 80s. He had cause though, as the feds were in violation of an agreement regarding how temporary the storage was to be and how quickly the waste would be moved out of state. But, IIRC, there were reports Gov. Andrus had the ISP stopping the trucks at the border and wouldn’t let them come into Idaho. God I miss that man as Governor. I also YEARN for the day pot is legal in Idaho (sigh at least a decade away minimum) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860.md?page=5)