# The scourge that is the demon weed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 4, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860 "2018-01-04T17:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/81 "2018-01-05T23:28:15Z")
In addition there was the refusal to send the Feds voter data, most vehemently from Mississippi and one other conservative state I can’t remember. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/82 "2018-01-05T23:33:12Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > In addition there was the refusal to send the Feds voter data, most vehemently from Mississippi and one other conservative state I can’t remember. Starts with a “K”, ends with a “there’s no place like home”. The chairman of the president’s commission investigating for voter fraud was actually the Secretary of State for that state and ended up refusing his own request. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/83 "2018-01-05T23:37:10Z")
> [@guestchaz](#): > > While not exactly in the same spirit as the current debate, Gov. Andrus of Idaho told the feds to take a flying leap at a rolling donut over nuclear waste shipments to the INEL in the 80s. He had cause though, as the feds were in violation of an agreement regarding how temporary the storage was to be and how quickly the waste would be moved out of state. But, IIRC, there were reports Gov. Andrus had the ISP stopping the trucks at the border and wouldn’t let them come into Idaho. God I miss that man as Governor. I also YEARN for the day pot is legal in Idaho (sigh at least a decade away minimum) Might not help you in Boise, but your neighbors can be enterprising. [Cough cough](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Floyd's+Pullman%2FMoscow/@46.7375859,-117.0688744,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x549f87d1519ed677:0x3e49331200fb39c6!8m2!3d46.7380902!4d-117.0531091). > [@Ludovic](#): > > In addition there was the refusal to send the Feds voter data, most vehemently from Mississippi and one other conservative state I can’t remember. There’s many states, it’s hardly a blue/red thing. But really, some of those who “complied” just said they’d send publicly available data. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/84 "2018-01-06T01:03:19Z")
Beauregard - with his hyper zealous Christian code and certain gripe against California’s recent “sanctuary state” status - also must feel the compulsion to go after pot as a kind of twisted mark of distinction, considering he’s never really accomplished anything so far. (To the extent that an AG is supposed to actually “accomplish” anything - as opposed to simply carrying out his/her administrative duties - is road I won’t go down to speculate on). If Jeffrey can somehow just…just…just…_bust_ thy heathen Big Pot, then that’ll be his gopher tail he can wave around and brag about. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/85 "2018-01-06T03:57:23Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Sessions appears to be operating from the principle that if 30ish percent of the public is with you, you’re definitely on the right track. I cannot imagine where he got such an idea. Don’t forget that an anti-drug crusade offers great opportunity for _selective enforcement._ Law enforcement pretty much has to go after murderers regardless of skin color, social status etc. But soft crimes like smoking pot or selling it in sanctioned stores? When good ol’ boys like Billie Bob do it (or rich Job Creators do it), it’s just boys havin’ fun — “locker room” stuff — General Jeffie-Beau will be kind and understanding. But if you’re smoking pot and have the wrong skin color or wrong political beliefs, Jeffie-Beau wants to put your degenerate un-Christian ass in Leavenworth. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/86 "2018-01-06T06:56:32Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No, I think he is on a different tack: in terms of two major things that make people happy, he wants to Make America Straight Again. I know this because, the acronym. That acronym is corny. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/87 "2018-01-06T07:22:09Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > Bingo! We have a winner! The primary purpose of drug enforcement is to incarcerate minorities. For Mr. Sessions this is a very attractive feature. > > [Relevant article](http://www.drugpolicy.org/press-release/2016/03/top-adviser-richard-nixon-admitted-war-drugs-was-policy-tool-go-after-anti) It’s actually older than that - the very fact that y’all are calling it marijuana (as opposed to cannabis) stems from efforts to use it to demonize, jail and deport Mexican immigrants in the 1930s. Everything old is new again. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/88 "2018-01-06T07:55:21Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > That acronym is corny. I know, it’s amaizeing. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/89 "2018-01-06T09:26:22Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 Aren’t you the same **octopus** that roots for Republican electoral success? Don’t you know that rednecks thinking they’re superior to pot-smoking coastal elites is the only reason your ilk wins elections at all? Give up your “moral” sanctimony and it’s all over for you. Lots of rednecks smoke dope. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/90 "2018-01-06T12:32:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lots of rednecks smoke dope. Yes, but they all think either they’re too smart to get caught, or that Sheriff Billie Bob wouldn’t care about their wholesome fun. OTOH, the coastal atheists who pursue their amoral pleasures deserve to rot in prison or hell, so the rednecks are delighted with Jeffie Beau’s initiative. Moral inconsistency is the very hallmark of right-wing thought. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/91 "2018-01-06T12:52:54Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Might not help you in Boise, but your neighbors can be enterprising. [Cough cough](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Floyd's+Pullman%2FMoscow/@46.7375859,-117.0688744,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x549f87d1519ed677:0x3e49331200fb39c6!8m2!3d46.7380902!4d-117.0531091). > > There’s many states, it’s hardly a blue/red thing. But really, some of those who “complied” just said they’d send publicly available data. Yeah i know, OR agreed to not put a dispensary in Ontario. The closest one to me i think i factually knpw about is in Baker City, a few hours drive away from here. RE the voter info, ID shpuld have told 'em to fuck off, nut turned over tje info that was non identifying. I love my state, i think our state government sucks right now and is badly misreading how we would react to legalizing pot ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/92 "2018-01-06T13:28:42Z")
just switched from my phone to my 'puter and read what I wrote, and damn! Even though, allowing for the typos, what I said is also true and makes sense, it is NOT what I meant to say, meant to say was; ID should have told 'em to fuck off, but turned over the info that was non-identifying, {while pointing out that the withheld info is, for the most part, public record.} Butch Otter sucks and even though they are generally liked, more or less, so does our legislature. I hate my phone ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/93 "2018-01-06T14:26:09Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Thank you, Mr. Perfect. FWIW my near-accidents have all been while quite sober. :smack: Not the point - you don’t have to be perfect not to drive fucked up. Just a responsible person. I’m not a teetotaler but I have never gotten behind the wheel while intoxicated. I’m not asking more from anyone else than I demand from myself. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/94 "2018-01-06T14:47:40Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > It varies from on body to the next. Cannabis has never, ever had any kind of pain reduction effect for me. In truth, it is more similar to acid in that respect than to heroin (I think, anyway, as I have not tried heroin). But this assumes that most people that abuse opiates do so because of physical pain. I don’t th8nk that this is remotely true. > [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > I understand that most sold for medical purposes (often a tincture) is high in CBD and very low in THC. The stuff people smoke recreationally is much, much higher in THC. In other words, you probably used the wrong stuff. There is a vending truck business in NYC that specializes is “weed” based edibles. I was curious about this as marijuana is not legal in NY. Turns out the edibles contain CBD but no THC. > [@Chronos](#): > > Really, the tests like walking a straight line etc. are more relevant than the blood alcohol percentage tests, and to the extent that they disagree, the problem is with the blood alcohol tests. The fundamental problem is not driving while having a certain chemical in your metabolism; the fundamental problem is driving while there exists a state of impairment which makes it unsafe for you to drive. A person could be rendered too impaired to drive by an inherent medical condition which is in no way their own fault, and we’d still want to get them off the road in that case. Some people fare better than others. During my heavy drinking days ( which ended in 1993 ), I had several encounters with experienced law enforcement while I was wildly intoxicated and behind the wheel. They never realized I was intoxicated although I was cited a few times for minor violations. Edit - just to emphasize, I no longer drink. I sometimes have nightmares about the way I used to drink and drive. I was very lucky and I still think about how stupid and dangerous this was, 25 years later. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/95 "2018-01-06T15:02:03Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It’s actually older than that - the very fact that y’all are calling it marijuana (as opposed to cannabis) stems from efforts to use it to demonize, jail and deport Mexican immigrants in the 1930s. > > Everything old is new again. very good link, Kobal2, thanks for sharing it: > [@](#): > > "You want to know what this was really all about,” Ehrlichman, who died in 1999, said, referring to Nixon’s declaration of war on drugs. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/96 "2018-01-06T15:22:00Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It’s actually older than that - the very fact that y’all are calling it marijuana (as opposed to cannabis) stems from efforts to use it to demonize, jail and deport Mexican immigrants in the 1930s. > > Everything old is new again. Blame \*Refer Madness \*for pointing out to the public how marijuana use leads to hit and run accidents, manslaughter, suicide, attempted rape, hallucinations, and severe marijuana addiction. Black musicians looking at white women in the tavern and having impure thoughts. In _The Wild One_, Marlon Brando taught us that motorcycle riding leads to equally evil deeds and thoughts. Bands of hoodlums destroying towns, lock up your daughters people. Mexican or not. Blame Hollywood for 90% of shit starting. What fun would it have been watching a band of motorcycle thugs sitting peacefully on hill passing a joint around and napping? Blame the South for believing that shit like Sessions does. My 2c. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/97 "2018-01-06T15:34:48Z")
Mr. Sessions desire for Federal action on the weed problem will now accelerate. Unfortunately for him, it will entail unintended consequences. We should soon see a re-schedule to start. Then it will be all over from a Federal suppression standpoint “if” he has pushed the issue past the tipping point it’s been sitting at for many years. Trump could potentially fire Sessions for insubordination WRT his state’s rights campaign position and/or Congress will simply get off it’s collective arse and do their job. Either way, he’s done - stick a fork in him. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/98 "2018-01-06T16:44:43Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Blame Hollywood for 90% of shit starting. What fun would it have been watching a band of motorcycle thugs sitting peacefully on hill passing a joint around and napping? Lotta fun if they pass it. 🙂 > [@BeenJammin](#): > > Mr. Sessions desire for Federal action on the weed problem will now accelerate. Unfortunately for him, it will entail unintended consequences. We should soon see a re-schedule to start. Then it will be all over from a Federal suppression standpoint “if” he has pushed the issue past the tipping point it’s been sitting at for many years. > > Trump could potentially fire Sessions for insubordination WRT his state’s rights campaign position and/or Congress will simply get off it’s collective arse and do their job. Either way, he’s done - stick a fork in him. So, sessions cracking down may be a campaign rally for dems this fall. Vote for us, and we will pass legislation that reclassifies cannabis as a less controlled substance. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/99 "2018-01-06T17:01:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes, but they all think either they’re too smart to get caught, or that Sheriff Billie Bob wouldn’t care about their wholesome fun. > OTOH, the coastal atheists who pursue their amoral pleasures deserve to rot in prison or hell, so the rednecks are delighted with Jeffie Beau’s initiative. > > Moral inconsistency is the very hallmark of right-wing thought. It’s that simple is it? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/100 "2018-01-06T17:02:32Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > It’s not that remote - it’s maybe 30 miles outside of Denver. > > What is the history of state governors drawing lines in the sand against the fed? In living memory, all I can think of is George Wallace standing in front of Foster Auditorium to keep black students from registering. Aside from segregationist incidents like this, is there a history of active resistance to the fed from state governors? Not lawsuits filed by AGs - that happens all the time - but ballsier stuff like \*\*B-Rad \*\*is talking about? One of the things I like about living in California – I’m supremely confident that Jerry Brown is perfectly willing to tell the Trump administration to blow it out their ass. He’s done it on many other points of contention (eg, we’re going to go on adhering to the Paris climate agreement); this is just one more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860.md?page=6)