# The scourge that is the demon weed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 4, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860 "2018-01-04T17:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/101 "2018-01-06T17:09:27Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > One of the things I like about living in California – I’m supremely confident that Jerry Brown is perfectly willing to tell the Trump administration to blow it out their ass. He’s done it on many other points of contention (eg, we’re going to go on adhering to the Paris climate agreement); this is just one more. I’m not sure I catch your meaning. Are you saying that if Sessions decides to crack down and arrest some owners of pot stores, that Brown will try, physically, to stop them? I’m sure he’d be willing to “tell” Trump and Sessions they were in the wrong, but I’d be surprised if he actually tried to stop them. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/102 "2018-01-06T17:14:55Z")
> [@guestchaz](#): > > Yeah i know, OR agreed to not put a dispensary in Ontario. The closest one to me i think i factually knpw about is in Baker City, a few hours drive away from here. The obscure burg of Huntington has a very busy one that is considerably closer than Baker City. About 20 miles or so. Shows up on Yelp, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/103 "2018-01-06T17:16:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not sure I catch your meaning. Are you saying that if Sessions decides to crack down and arrest some owners of pot stores, that Brown will try, physically, to stop them? I’m sure he’d be willing to “tell” Trump and Sessions they were in the wrong, but I’d be surprised if he actually tried to stop them. LOL, that’s what you got from his post? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/104 "2018-01-06T17:19:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not sure I catch your meaning. Are you saying that if Sessions decides to crack down and arrest some owners of pot stores, that Brown will try, physically, to stop them? I’m sure he’d be willing to “tell” Trump and Sessions they were in the wrong, but I’d be surprised if he actually tried to stop them. The state has records of who is growing and dispensing. If the feds asked for those records, could the state send them packing? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/105 "2018-01-06T17:32:18Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The state has records of who is growing and dispensing. If the feds asked for those records, could the state send them packing? The feds asked for voter records (the short-lived and non-lamented Voter Fraud Panel), and the state told them to pound sand. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/106 "2018-01-06T17:33:09Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The state has records of who is growing and dispensing. If the feds asked for those records, could the state send them packing? AFAIU, The states and municipalities are not required to assist the Feds in enforcing federal law. This would be similar to the issue surrounding “Sanctuary Cities”. The reason I asked more about active resistance (i.e., physically trying to stop) is that was what was mentioned in the post that **jsc1953** was responding to. But the feds wouldn’t need state records of who is selling pot at the retail level. They’d get all the yelp they needed from the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/107 "2018-01-06T17:44:56Z")
I think I understand [the problem.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwim7vy98cPYAhVLslQKHQzYBBkQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgflip.com%2Fi%2F1kw0k7&psig=AOvVaw3ceiwIy3ECiLjdA1bXnnfA&ust=1515346951547882) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/108 "2018-01-06T18:22:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > AFAIU, The states and municipalities are not required to assist the Feds in enforcing federal law. This would be similar to the issue surrounding “Sanctuary Cities”. The reason I asked more about active resistance (i.e., physically trying to stop) is that was what was mentioned in the post that **jsc1953** was responding to. But the feds wouldn’t need state records of who is selling pot at the retail level. Growers probably don’t advertise on the internet, but would be in the state’s database. Plus having that data would be evidence against either grower or seller. Just curious as to how it would play out if the feds demand access to that database as well. I would think that it would be more local than state cops that get involved in “defending” from the feds. If the county sheriff and a few deputies just happen to be hanging out around a dispensary when the feds show up… I have no idea what would happen. > [@](#): > > They’d get all the yelp they needed from the internet. Was that intentional? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/109 "2018-01-06T19:31:29Z")
Heroin is a drug, cocaine is a drug. Both are killer drugs, mostly because they are so illegal that there’s a shit ton of money to be made off them. Alcohol is a drug that just plain kills Weed is milk and cookies. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/110 "2018-01-06T19:32:18Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Was that intentional? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![BuckChongo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@BuckChongo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckChongo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/111 "2018-01-06T20:04:20Z")
I think Deppity Dawg is doing pot growers a favor here, the threat of FEDERAL PROSECUTION puts the kibosh on big investors thus creating favorable market conditions for the mom 'n Pop growers. Consider this, pot is fully legalized Jan 1 201?, that is the day Bezos flips the gro-lite switch on 100,000 acres of feminized Trainwreck and MK Ultra, then pays off the Feds springing El Shorty G from SuperMax to run the whole operation, red white and green drones crowd the urban airspace bringing magic pain relief opiate free to the masses and we are all so happy… ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/112 "2018-01-06T20:22:25Z")
As of May, 2016. MJ industry was generating $90,000,000 in tax revenue for Colorado (since it was legalized in 2013). Employed 16,000 people. Good luck shutting us down. What a bunch of stupid assholes are trying to run the country. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/113 "2018-01-06T20:24:51Z")
> [@BuckChongo](#): > > I think Deppity Dawg is doing pot growers a favor here, the threat of FEDERAL PROSECUTION puts the kibosh on big investors thus creating favorable market conditions for the mom 'n Pop growers. Consider this, pot is fully legalized Jan 1 201?, that is the day Bezos flips the gro-lite switch on 100,000 acres of feminized Trainwreck and MK Ultra, then pays off the Feds springing El Shorty G from SuperMax to run the whole operation, red white and green drones crowd the urban airspace bringing magic pain relief opiate free to the masses and we are all so happy… I doubt it will ever be unregulated. But, if it as regulated as alcohol and tobacco, that would be about appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/114 "2018-01-06T23:59:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s that simple is it? Here, please [watch some interviews of the voters on your team](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Ydoh_5EjU). Come back when you have a better clue. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/115 "2018-01-07T00:56:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > But this assumes that most people that abuse opiates do so because of physical pain. I don’t th8nk that this is remotely true. The conventional narrative among those that study these things is that a lot of opiate addictions begin as opiate treatments, after a significant injury or surgery. Doctors were very casual for a lot of years about handing out bottles and bottles of pills to people and offering little warning about developing a chemical dependency nor guidance for stepping down. People keep abusing opiods after the pain is gone, but the pain was where it started–not at party or something. There are still times where people really need major painkillers and the risk of creating addicts is real. If some of that could be replaced with marijuana, fewer addicts would be created. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/116 "2018-01-07T01:13:21Z")
As I said elsewhere; 1\> Good luck in jury selection. 2\> Good luck gaining the cooperation of the states. 3\> Good luck convincing US Attorneys to prioritize the prosecution of thousands of misdemeanor and felony pot cases in the face of potentially hostile juries and without the cooperation of the states; as opposed to more serious criminal matters. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/117 "2018-01-07T02:25:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Speaking as someone who lives in a state that legalized recreational marijuana just last year: fuck you; we aren’t going back. > > Jeff Sessions can think what he wants, but we aren’t going back to marijuana being illegal. Not gonna fucking happen. > [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > I feel this has to be true: so many people are making so much (legal) money there is no way they can put the green genie back in the bottle. While this is certainly true, this isn’t my main motivation and it isn’t what is ultimately going to prevent pot from being illegal again. That thing is, for me, this: I won’t be shamed any more. I won’t be silent about my pot smoking any more. I won’t keep quiet and on the down low out of fear that I’ll lose my house, my job, my freedom. I’ve been living a lie as far as my pot smoking goes, for most of my life now, and I won’t do it any more. I’m a decent person: I earn my money, I vote, I pay taxes and I do what I can do to try and make the world a better rather than a worse place for us all to live. But I’m not going back to shady deals and code words and the constant low-level background stress of worrying because this thing that I (and so many others) like is illegal _for no good reason_. I’m done compromising on this issue. And I don’t think I’m alone or even in the minority on this any more, which is fantastic. Pot will stay legal but more importantly it will be allowed to become acceptable, normal and unremarkable. Fuck you; we’re not going back. Err, not “you” **Jackie** , btw; yer cool. General whole-wide-world third-person “you”, I meant. Oh, and Jeff “Suck It” Sessions, I did mean you: fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/118 "2018-01-07T02:28:01Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > While this is certainly true, this isn’t my main motivation and it isn’t what is ultimately going to prevent pot from being illegal again. > > That thing is, for me, this: I won’t be shamed any more. > > I won’t be silent about my pot smoking any more. I won’t keep quiet and on the down low out of fear that I’ll lose my house, my job, my freedom. I’ve been living a lie as far as my pot smoking goes, for most of my life now, and I won’t do it any more. > > I’m a decent person: I earn my money, I vote, I pay taxes and I do what I can do to try and make the world a better rather than a worse place for us all to live. But I’m not going back to shady deals and code words and the constant low-level background stress of worrying because this thing that I (and so many others) like is illegal _for no good reason_. > > I’m done compromising on this issue. Pot will stay legal but more importantly it will be allowed to become acceptable, normal and unremarkable. > > Fuck you; we’re not going back. > > Err, not “you” **Jackie** , btw; yer cool. General whole-wide-world third-person “you”, I meant. Oh, and Jeff “Suck It” Sessions, I did mean you: fuck you. Preach. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/119 "2018-01-07T03:08:24Z")
If General Beauregard, who has recused himself from the possible firing of Special Counsel Robert Mueller, wants to best serve his Dear Leader (wasn’t Jeffie Beau the first top Gopster to endorse the short-fingered sociopath?) _ **then he needs to find an excuse to resign.** _ Perhaps his War on Pot is his effort to go out in a blaze of glory. I expect a resignation speech where he says he’s too disgusted to continue serving in the liberal Sodom and Gomorrah. Do we have another thread to Pit Jeffie Beau? Progressives overwork the term ‘racist’ but there is much evidence that this contemptible excuse for a man really is a Despicable Racist Pig. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860/120 "2018-01-07T03:28:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Heroin is a drug, cocaine is a drug. Both are killer drugs, mostly because they are so illegal. It’s about time society got over the whole “drug” thing. Drugs of all kinds are pervasive. Some are great, some not so much. Some are deadly at infinitesimally small doses, yet miraculous in their beneficial therapeutic effects in certain use cases. The problem with Cannabis is the stigma that goes along with decades of government suppression for motives completely unrelated to the thing itself. Brains don’t get "un"washed quickly or easily. > [@MandaJo](#): > > There are still times where people really need major painkillers and the risk of creating addicts is real. If some of that could be replaced with marijuana, fewer addicts would be created. The medical narrative around weed is another thing society could really use a wake-up call on. Opiate replacement therapy is a big opportunity, but of lesser importance in the larger scheme of medicinal applicability. The drug itself is by no means a one-off compound like most pharmaceuticals, but an amazingly complex group of substances called cannabanoids with markedly different effects coming from different plant strains and correspondingly wide ranging implications in numerous different medical applications. Apart from that, from a recreational standpoint, it’s like catnip for people - literally fucking harmless, used responsibly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-scourge-that-is-the-demon-weed/805860.md?page=7)